This post continues a new feature called Children’s Ministry Think Tank. The aim is to get different perspectives and help everyone to learn (including me). Please read through the responses and share your own ideas below.
Think Tank #2 Questions About Baptism & Kids
What is your church’s policy about baptizing kids? Is there any age absolutely too young? If you had to pick a “typical” or “ideal” age what would you say? What happens when a kid comes back for re-baptism as a teen?
Response From Glen Woods
In my church we practice believer’s baptism. By that I mean that the persons being baptized are doing so as an expression of their choice to follow Jesus Christ, trusting him for their salvation. While many of our parishioners come from backgrounds which practice infant baptism, we graciously affirm believer’s baptism as our theological and practical conviction.
As a result, we generally (there are exceptions) do not even entertain a child being baptized until they are at least eight or nine years old. If the child is in a believing home, then we are more open to younger children (7-10 years old) being baptized, understanding that it really is a borderline form of infant baptism which requires integral parental support. Even then, we interview each child to ascertain readiness. We also dialogue with their parents about it. I have personally found the Step-by-Step resource by Art Murphy of Arrow Ministries to be helpful in learning how to determine the readiness of a child for water baptism. http://www.arrowministries.com/store/index.php?l=product_detail&p=4 Accessed: 6 May 2009.
I hesitate to suggest an optimum age for water baptism because each child is unique. Some children will be ready at the age of eight, others a few years later, and still others will be better off waiting until their mid-teen to late teen years. The key is to determine why they want to be baptized. Is it a matter of obedience to God’s command and a desire to follow Jesus? Is it a question of pleasing parents and other family members? Do they want to do it because their friends have done it? Is it seen in the family as more of a cultural rite of passage than a sacred act of obedience? I also try to determine their level of higher reasoning, and their ability to distinguish between fantasy and reality. For example, is Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny as real as their Mom and Dad for them? Then they may need to wait awhile. In these cases I am always positive, pointing out that soon they will be baptised, but not quite yet.
If a person desires to be baptized a second time after being baptized as an infant, or as an older child, I again try to determine the rationale, the motive. In my church, we would not require or even suggest that second baptism is necessary. Other groups in the believer’s baptism stream of tradition differ with this view, as is their prerogative. Yet, if a person sincerely believes that a second baptism is a matter of obedience to God, then I am sure we would entertain the possibility. I believe there have been a few instances where this has occurred. On a closing note, I encourage those in the believer’s baptism camp to remember God’s involvement in the water baptism. It seems to me that there is something more going on than a mere outward assent to an inward work. It is not merely symbolic, in my view. If we consider Jesus’ baptism, we see Jesus being an example for us in all things in terms of obedience, humility, dying to self, pleasing the Father, and publically staking his claim in the face of state-sponsored idolatry, thereby putting his life at heightened risk (the same was true for the disciples in the first century, and for many new believers in the Majority world today; we in the West have a very hard time relating to the risk which water baptism generates for increased persecution). The Father manifested audibly from heaven in that event while the Holy Spirit appeared in the form of a dove. God was invested in Jesus’ baptism. I believe he also is directly involved in the baptism of each and every believer who submits to this act of obedience.
Glen Woods is a Children’s Pastor and warehouseman in Portland, Oregon. He writes at Children’s Ministry Conversation.
Response From Jared Kennedy
It is a joy to speak with parents that desire to tell the gospel to their kids and encourage their faith. There are lots of tensions that weigh on our hearts when we approach the issue of childhood baptism and church membership. With parents, we long to see our children saved and not discouraged. We also long to have a policy that will not compromise our church’s witness to the culture by accepting and baptizing a child too quickly. Sojourn has put together a full policy booklet that helps parents navigate these tensions. You can download it here [ http://sojournkids.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/childhood-baptism.pdf].
Here is our policy in brief:
- Sojourn strongly recommends that parents wait until their child is at least twelve years old before presenting them for a baptism interview. This is a recommendation and not a mandate. Children will be interviewed, and their readiness for baptism will be considered on a case-by-case basis. We recognize that the New Testament example is for baptism upon a valid profession of faith. Therefore, baptism ought to follow conversion immediately upon the appearance of discernable signs of conversion. Time, however, is sometimes the only course of action for determining, as much as is humanly possible, the validity of a child’s profession of faith in Christ. For this reason, we strongly advise parents to wait. Evidence of faith often becomes clearer as the child grows and shows the fruit of a changed heart.
- Conversion is God’s work in the believer. It is not simply a decision on the believer’s part. We strongly encourage parents to look for evidences or signs of conversion (such as conviction of sin, understanding of truth, and a renewed life in their child before presenting him or her for baptism.
- Since parents are responsible for instructing their children and overseeing their spiritual development, it is imperative that the church teach, instruct, and guide parents in this task. Parents of seeking children are paired with a representative from Sojourn’s leadership,who meets with these parents to discuss the tensions involved in discerning a child’s heart. Parents are also be paired with mentors-typically parents with children who have been through the process before-who will counsel and advise the parents as they seek to lead their children in spiritual things.
- Over a period of time, the seeking child is led by his or her parents through a study that clarifies the gospel such as Who Will Be King by Matthias Media, A Catechism for Boys and Girls by Reformation Trust Today, or something similar.
- At the conclusion of this study, the child meets for an interview (or series of interviews) with his or her parents, the parents’ mentors, and a representative from Sojourn’s leadership. The purpose of these studies is for the mentors and leadership representative meeting with the child and parents to discern if the child understands and has embraced the gospel. During these meetings, the pastoral and mentorship team also help the child to craft a testimony which, as with all baptism candidates, is read at the baptism service.
- Mentors and parents then jointly present the child to the elders for church membership and participation in the ordinances at the conclusion of their teaching/mentorship meetings.
- If the elders are convinced that a child has given evidence of a genuine conversion, the child is baptized and accepted into the fellowship and discipline of the church. The child, under the authority of his or her parents, is without voting responsibilities until the age of eighteen.
- At the age of eighteen, the child attends Sojourn’s membership classes and interviews, like adult candidates for membership, with an elder. The voting responsibilities given to adult members are exercised only after the completion of this interview.
Given our policy, most young people are not baptized until their teens though many come to faith at an earlier age. We do not believe in re-baptism, but, if the teen, his parents, and Sojourn’s elders believe that a previous baptism occurred before the child was genuinely converted, we would allow the teen to participate in a second baptism service and receive a true baptism as a believer.
Jared Kennedy is a husband, a father, and the Director of SojournKids (http://sojournkids.com), the Children’s Ministry of Sojourn Community Church in downtown Louisville, KY.
Response From Brenna Phillips
The ideal age for children to be baptized is the age of understanding, approximately ages 7-10, the age in which children understand the concept of a Spiritual water burial and being raised to a new life in Christ.
During those elementary years, children have gotten acclimated to school and have worked through recent transitional periods, such as preschool to kindergarten to grade school, therefore, easing the Spiritual transition. At this mid-elementary school age, they are able to understand more difficult concepts. However, the Bible states that people must come with “faith as a child” so the concept of salvation and baptism is not completely out of reach for a young child.
Parents and Children’s ministry leaders must allow children to begin the question process towards baptism. When they begin asking questions that shows they are beginning to think and understand salvation and baptism. At that point, leaders must ask children open-ended questions and let them explain the process and the concept back to them. If they can explain it, they understand it and know the reason behind their decision.
If a child who was baptized as a child and comes back during the teen years for re-baptism, churches must spend time with this teen, asking questions about his first experience. Through a relationship, the CM leader will be able to determine if this teen is asking questions regarding re-baptism or re-dedication. Through a personal discipleship program, study, and discipleship with others, one can strengthen his/her Spiritual walk.
Brenna Phillips is the Children’s-Family Minister at Mission Fellowship Church in Middletown, Delaware, and teaches 3-4 year old students at an early childhood learning center. www.brennaphillips.com
Response From Terry Delaney
While we do not have an explicit written policy for baptizing children, we, as a staff, are extremely cautious when it comes to baptizing children. When we talk to the children, we make certain that they understand first what the gospel is. That is that God created us good but we rebelled. Consequently, He sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to live the perfect, sinless life that we cannot. Yet, He still paid the penalty for sin through His death on the cross. On the third day after His death, God raised Jesus from the dead. He then lived on the Earth 40 more days and ascended into heaven. Through our faith in Christ’s work on the cross and the repentance of our sins, we will be saved.
Second, and this is extremely difficult because of its subjective nature, we make sure that the child understands his or her need for the gospel. Here, we look for an acute awareness of their sin. The problem we have discovered is that repentance becomes a means to an end–baptism. Most of the children I have talked with want to be baptized because, for them, it is a status symbol. I have counseled a couple kids who knew the right words to say, but it was obvious that it was only head knowledge. However, I am talking to a young lady right now who has been asking more and more questions and becoming more and more aware of her need for repentance. Even in her case, she views baptism as a status symbol.
Third, we strive to teach that the baptism itself does not save. I have been known to say that there will be many “drying off in hell” because they put their faith in their baptism and not in Christ alone. We teach that baptism is an outward action to an inward change.
Finally, we watch to see if there is a life change in the child’s life. If anything, I would say that I personally am more cautious because I want to protect against a false sense of security. I come at it this way because I thought (and believed) I was saved and going to heaven until I was 23 years old and God graciously showed me I was neither.
I do not think there is an age too young–assuming we are not discussing infant baptism but believer’s baptism. I think each child’s readiness for baptism must be judged based on Scripture and his or her individual situation and context. However, this is why I personally hold off on baptizing children so that in 10 years they are not coming back to “rededicate” their lives to Christ. Insofar as I am able, I want those children being baptized to be a true son or daughter of God.
Terry Delaney is the Children’s Minister at Carlisle Avenue Baptist Church in Louisville, KY. He writes at Christian Book Notes.
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We live in a very small town with two options for churches…Lutheran and Methodist. We feel very strongly that it is important for our kids to be extremely active in the church, therefore, we do choose to go to one of these churches rather than travel 30-miles to another. Plus, our church is GREAT, truly a family. However, we obviously do not agree with the way some things are done…baptism being one. I wonder how other parents have resisted the “pressure” to baptize their children as infants in a mainline protestant church. Any suggestions on this and on how to gracefully respond to those that think my (quite young) children are not “saved” because they were not baptized as babies?
Thank you SO much!
Our pastor talks with the child and parents when the child requests baptism. He makes sure the child understands what is happening and why. We do not have an age limit.
By doing this, we have never had a teen come for re baptism.
In our church, we dedicate infants, recognizing the parents’ role in raising their children to know Jesus, but also recognizing the extended families’ roles and the role of the whole church community to help these children know Jesus. We walk the babies around the church during worship, encouraging people to get to know their names and faces and pray for them. We usually share the scripture of when Mary and Joseph presented Jesus in the Temple, or the scripture from Genesis 1 of how we are made in the image of God and called very good.
Once children are old enough to decide for themselves if they want to be disciples of Jesus, we encourage them to go through a weekend Pastor’s Class retreat. That age is typically around 5th or 6th grade, but it varies. We would be very hesitant about baptizing anyone younger than about 4th grade, and even then, it would be an exceptional situation. At this retreat, we teach about what a life of discipleship looks like: prayer, worship, service, Bible reading and study, etc.–all in response to the gift of new life given through our Master, Jesus. We also teach some of the history of the church that they are joining–the church universal and our church (Christian Church-Disciples of Christ). We practice believers’ baptism, but we also stress that faith is something that is never quite “done.” Once a child goes through the retreat, they are encouraged to meet regularly with an adult mentor (one of our Elders or another deeply faithful person in the church). This gives them someone to help them figure out what it means to live as a disciple of Jesus. If they decide to be baptized, they will come forward during worship and state their belief that “Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, and I proclaim him Lord and Savior of the world.” (This statement, which is our only test for membership, comes from our Stone-Campbell heritage.) Then we will actually baptize the next week (that’s just a logistics thing–it takes a long time to fill the baptistry!) While it’s hard to describe exactly what happens in the waters of baptism, we know that God works in the lives of these new believers in very special ways in baptism. We teach “Old You (before Jesus), Dead You (death to the old life of sin and self in the water of baptism), New You (new life in Jesus), and ultimately Dead You (culminating in life everlasting).” There are hand motions that go with it…
We do not ever re-baptize, as we see baptism as something God does, and God doesn’t mess it up. We do however encourage folks to rededicate themselves to that basic statement I shared above (which is actually a very profound statement) at any time–either publicly by coming forward during worship or privately. This would be true for people who were “dunked” as believers as well as those who were “sprinkled” as babies, although a public profession of faith (or confirmation of faith) is required for membership in the church.
Because baby dedications are very special events in the life of our church, and because we celebrate the gift of babies and children and the sacred responsibility of parenthood, we don’t have folks who request that their babies be baptized. We see both events as important in the lives of children and adults.
we do not baptise children less than 11years but from above.Where you have to acknowledge JESUS AS YOUR PERSONAL LORD AND Saviour
In my church baby dedication is not taught as being salvific or sacramental in the biblical sense. For example, we would not try to compare it to the OT mandate to circumcise children in Hebrew culture. Instead, it is really a commitment on the part of parents to raise the child in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. It is also a corporate commitment on the part of the church community to provide a supportive environment for the parents and child. Yes, we pray and ask God to protect and guide the child. But we do so with the understanding that it is through us that this must happen. We own the responsibility as unto the Lord.
Barry’s questions sounds like a great one for the think tank to take up as a group. What do you think Tony?
in my church we baptize infants because we belive that salvation is for all, including babys.
What do you all feel about baby dedication? It seems to me that those who come into the church from Luthern or Catholic backgrounds find something missing when we refuse to do Baby Baptisms as they have this anmazing precious new gift from God and they some how want to respond to God in that.
I believe in believers baptism and I cannot find any scriptural support for Baby dedication (Possibly Hannah but she left Samual at the church to grow up:). Is Baby dedication a valid practice?
We think of baby dedication as a special prayer time for the whole congregation, so we keep it simple but don’t make it a “salvation” event in anyone’s mind. Public prayer for children and parents is always fitting in church.
In our church, we conduct parent dedications. This is where we, as a congregation, pray for the parents in raising their child(ren) in the admonition of the Lord.
What is your church’s policy about baptizing kids?
We baptize any child (or person) that professes faith in Jesus. As long as they understand that they are a sinner, what sin has done to them, who Jesus was and is, what Jesus has done for them, and what they are called to as a result (repent, be baptized, and walk in faith while growing in holiness) then they are baptized. Most of our parents have a firm grasp on if their child has been regenerated or not and as long as all parties are comfortable with the decision, we baptize the child. We never rush baptism.
Is there any age absolutely too young?
Well, of course there are some ages that are too young. For instance, a one-year old should not be baptized. However, I counseled one 6-year old whose parents effectively did their part in raising Him in the fear and admonition of the Lord. The child is smart as a whip, was broken-hearted over his sin, and wanted Jesus in his life. Either he was an expert con-man or he was truly regenerated at that young age. I believe it was the latter. With that said, there have been many kids that age that I’ve told their parents that they weren’t quite ready, and the parents understood and agreed.
If you had to pick a “typical” or “ideal” age what would you say?
I don’t think that one exists. The general Gospel call is available to all, while the specific call is available to those that accept Jesus. Every child develops at different levels mentally and “convictionally.”
What happens when a kid comes back for re-baptism as a teen?
I think you need to ask some questions and find out why the child seeks re-baptism. I would make it hard to be re-baptized. If the teen is almost 100% sure that he or she had no idea what they were doing at the time, then the child should be re-baptized. Hopefully, there will be pastors in place who will follow what I talked about above to prevent that from happening. If it is a teen who did not grow up in the church, then the chance of their first baptism not being valid could be greater.
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I like reading your points, and I agree with the special importance of choosing the most suitable time Not to maintain Spirit-less traditions etc. May the Lord lead you through His wise Spirit in your ministry. I only want to share that in our part of the globe infant baptism is more common. It also happens quite frequently that families not very tightly linked up with church or Christ bring their infants to baptism because they feel it a nice and important tradition. Our church policy is to accept them and of course a series of pastoral conversations are done around the event. We baptize babies too because it is more important for us that it is God who performs baptism and it means that he starts something very new in that little person’s life -though we cannot see it. We believe that baptism is also a kind of seal of God’s love and saving mercy. Also a first event of a personal relationship between the baby and God. Now as I’m writing this I’ve got a question: What is your attitude towards baptizing mentally handicapped people who cannot think and argue about faith?
@Wayne–we do pretty much the same thing in terms of having the children explain the gospel to us. We then talk with them about how they are applying that in their lives. What we look for is a basic “childish” understanding that we all must come to regardless of age: I am a sinner and Jesus died for those sins. I then have a conversation with the parents to try and discern if there has been a change at all in the child’s behavior and understanding of what it means to be a Christian.
I can’t give you a hard list of questions because they change with every encounter. What I can give you is a list of concepts that I am looking for. These are (in no real order):
1. what is sin
2. Do you realize you are a sinner
3. Who is God
4. Who is Jesus
5. What did He do for you
6. What is repentance
7. What does a Christian life look like
There are more that come up through conversations, but that is the gist of them. I hope this helps some.
As Jared said, this usually takes place over a period of a few intentional conversations as well as observation in both the home (by the parents, hopefully) and at the church.
I meant to say that it “becomes the basis” of the public testimony read at the baptism service.
Wayne,
In every interview (including membership interviews with adults), we ask the person to explain the gospel to us in 1 minute “as if we’d never heard it.” We look for evidence of understanding or misunderstanding. Then, we say, “Now, how’s that working for you?” In other words, we ask them to relate the gospel they believe to their life. Then, we look for evidence of how faith is intersecting with life. And we address any “gospel gaps.” For a child or baptism candidate, this intersection (which sometimes takes some “working out” over several conversations) because the basis of the public testimony read at the baptism service.
Blessings,
Jared
Each of the responses to this question involves an interview with the child to try to determine whether they understand their salvation and baptism. I am curious, other than a gut feeling, what questions everyone uses to try to discern this very subjective issue.
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