COVID-19 has been closing churches since March 15th. Congregations are starting to come back. 20% of churches will open for in-person events this Sunday (5/17). That’s up from a low of 3.6% on 4/19. We’ve been polling our website readers every week: What is your church doing this Sunday? Full results at the link below. We went live on Facebook with Tom Bump from the Kids Ministry Collective to talk through all these issues (and more).
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Evans and I’m seriously thinking like 15 00:06 minutes and just see what happens cuz 00:07 I’ve never done one on the page before 00:09 yeah so yeah you have to they’ll bid if 00:16 you have your other page open you’ll see 00:18 a little delay yeah I saw that I’m on 00:21 the zoom video here and what’s it 00:24 showing me well then we’re live I I 00:36 trust Facebook like I haven’t trusted 00:39 anyone since George Bush so let’s go 00:42 with that 00:42 hey Tom hey thanks for jumping on here 00:45 I’m Tony Kumar I’m the founder and 00:48 editor of Ministry of children calm kind 00:50 of a popular website we just try to help 00:51 people do children’s ministry for free 00:53 and Tom of course you are the founder or 00:56 manager I don’t know what you are you 00:58 are the the boss in my opinion ministry 01:01 collective and you do coaching and you 01:04 and you’re just out there helping people 01:06 in ministry every day too so I try 01:09 anyway well we all need to try you know 01:13 do or do not there is no try 01:15 said a wise man once so today hey I just 01:18 wanted to talk about church’s reopening 01:21 because I’ve been running polls on my 01:22 website and I’m gonna I’m gonna jump 01:24 over and screen share that in a minute 01:25 but since the pandemic happened I just 01:27 woke up in the middle of the night and I 01:28 said you know why don’t I run a poll 01:31 every Sunday during the pandemic to see 01:34 churches opening and closing and opening 01:36 and closing and it’s not scientific I 01:40 don’t have like location tracking and 01:43 all this stuff but I think it’s it’s 01:45 very interesting in a general kind of 01:47 art to see where the churches have been 01:50 closing and opening and I I wanted to 01:52 grab you and talk about that because 01:54 you’ve had a couple of really great 01:55 podcast just this week about how 01:58 churches are supposed to reopen so yeah 02:02 yeah it’s definitely obviously a hot 02:04 topic right now for any leader I mean 02:08 kid ministry senior leader to be 02:10 thinking about the idea of how 02:13 when should we open how should we reopen 02:16 should we reopen the building anytime 02:20 soon and yeah I’ve had some really great 02:22 conversations with some some really good 02:26 thought leaders that have have put out 02:30 some really good information so yeah 02:34 it’s a good timely thing to be 02:36 dialoguing about any because it changes 02:37 all the time too it does so I’m gonna 02:40 jump onto my website and we’ve had the 02:42 poll you know it’s mostly been right 02:44 here in the sidebar if you’re seeing 02:46 that but I’ve been tracking this since 02:49 March 15th 02:51 because that was the first Sunday after 02:53 the w-h-o declared a pandemic and my 02:57 church had it on the 15th and then we 02:59 were done we’ve been done since then but 03:02 I’ve basically asked the same question 03:04 every week is is your church doing 03:06 online only which is this top column 03:08 this top row is your church doing 03:10 modified like and that’s just wide open 03:13 like you know or you drive home 03:14 drive-through service or whatever or 03:16 you’re just running things normal right 03:19 and so this is an error that this first 03:24 weeks wrong so the first weeks wrong on 03:27 my website so that’s the other thing you 03:29 should know about Ministry of Children 03:30 we have more typos per thousand words 03:33 than any website in the history of the 03:35 world and that’s all on me and my my 03:38 failures here so actually the first week 03:40 was was inverted that’s a there was only 03:43 there was 65% open the first week and 03:47 then and then it went downhill fast 03:51 anyway what I’m interested in more right 03:53 now is this last few weeks and we saw a 03:56 little bit of bump for Mother’s Day and 03:57 whatnot but then this week we’re looking 04:00 at the poll for this week and you can 04:01 see it right in the sidebar it’s 04:04 hovering right around 80 percent right 04:06 now so that’s telling me that the last 04:09 few weeks you know you’ve seen it on the 04:10 news you’ve you’ve heard rumors from 04:13 your friends everybody like in kids 04:15 ministry collect if you guys have the 04:16 best Facebook group out there in my 04:18 opinion for well there’s one other 04:21 that’s better but it’s it’s church 04:23 secretaries and I’m in that group too 04:25 that one’s really 04:27 impressive but you know they’re they’ve 04:29 been around for a while Church 04:30 secretaries they’re gonna win every time 04:32 because they know everything yeah they 04:34 do yeah 04:38 so it looks like about 20% of churches 04:43 in one form or another are gonna be open 04:45 this week if you look at modified stuff 04:47 or normal schedule so I’m gonna jump 04:51 back to you and stop the screen share 04:53 tell me what you’re thinking about that 04:55 do you think that you think that 80% of 04:58 I mean are you surprised by that well uh 05:01 yeah I I am surprised it so many I mean 05:05 but it also depends on where they’re at 05:06 yeah they’re everywhere yeah everywhere 05:09 because that I mean that really is 05:11 that’s to me is the number one factor 05:14 more than anything is where you’re 05:16 located and how how high the numbers are 05:19 in your area if you’re in an area a part 05:22 of the country where it’s not that high 05:26 then yeah it doesn’t surprise me that 05:27 you feel comfortable enough and your 05:29 people feel comfortable enough coming 05:30 back to a building other areas I mean I 05:33 live in Ohio we’re not at that place 05:37 where I mean tomorrow is when will I 05:40 finally get a haircut yes well I don’t 05:44 know if I’m gonna get in there open I 05:47 have no clue when I’ll get in and and if 05:52 I have to wait too long I’m gonna go I’m 05:53 shaving it I’m done no I mean Tom 05:56 honestly look at this look at this this 05:58 isn’t a this is it on a catastrophe my 06:01 wife Oh 06:02 my wife’s from Haiti and she says 06:03 catastrophe you know when she looks at 06:06 my hair and it’s driving me crazy I got 06:12 I’ve got the mullet going in the back 06:13 now I mean hey hey you’re relevant I 06:16 mean 70s ministry is coming back you’re 06:19 there yes so anyway yeah enough of the 06:22 hair stuff that wasn’t what we talked 06:24 about no no we’re only we’re on a focus 06:26 break here hey let’s do it so but the 06:29 whole thing is is that that yeah it in 06:32 some place like I said I after talking I 06:34 mean Ron Ron Brooks and I did this 06:36 podcast it’s up live right now on the 06:39 kid mystery collectors 06:40 cast it we talked with a guy named Greg 06:43 Atkinson who has a huge website Facebook 06:47 group about first impressions and 06:49 worship and stuff and and Greg does a 06:52 lot of research and is really in tune 06:55 with all things and he put out some 06:57 great information a great blog post 06:59 about reopening and questions you should 07:02 ask 07:02 even a survey that churches can use and 07:06 excuse me and and one of the things that 07:08 we talked about and I’m totally in 07:10 agreement with I think churches need to 07:12 pump the brakes and be very patient 07:14 about re-engaging their buildings 07:17 III know people are missing each other I 07:21 know people are fatigued on screens but 07:24 we don’t want to be unwise in the whole 07:28 idea of it’s real hair friends it’s real 07:33 this is real life this is this is real 07:36 life but but I I think you know we have 07:39 got to be wise and and and I think this 07:43 is part of stewardship and leadership at 07:45 the same time that we’ve got to make 07:47 sure we’re being careful and so I like 07:51 with Greg on this one of I say be 07:54 patient I say just because you can 07:56 doesn’t mean you should I think as 08:00 leaders we need to make sure we’re in 08:04 touch with our community and feeling the 08:07 pulse of where we live and like I said 08:11 if you’re in an area where you’re not 08:12 hard hit where cases aren’t high people 08:15 are probably gonna feel a little more 08:16 comfortable 08:17 but I’m still I’m i’m of the opinion i 08:19 think of starting in some phases to 08:23 maybe where we start with home groups 08:26 where you could have your community 08:27 groups or small groups or whatever you 08:30 call them come together and maybe meet 08:34 at one person’s house and start there 08:36 where you’re washing watching the 08:38 service together maybe having a meal 08:40 having some engagement time where you’re 08:42 talking together as a family 08:44 reset the service so that it’s more 08:47 family focused where kid there’s 08:49 elements for kids and students in the 08:51 end there and maybe even a little 08:54 shorter 08:54 honestly yes revivals coming but I think 09:02 I think you know people don’t need to be 09:04 watching for so long but I but I think 09:07 starting with out like like house groups 09:09 to me would be an excellent first phase 09:12 and and would allow people to start 09:15 getting comfortable back with a small 09:16 group and then build on that into a more 09:21 of a structured gathering and and we can 09:24 talk more about that in a minute if you 09:25 want yeah and I think I think what 09:27 you’re saying is exactly right and I 09:28 heard this on another smart podcast I 09:30 listened to and the guy was basically 09:32 saying you know nobody has any data on 09:34 this so nobody knows what’s gonna happen 09:37 it’s all we’re just guessing you know 09:39 even Anthony Falchi the whole the whole 09:42 CDC thing I mean those guys are doing 09:43 incredible work but at the end of the 09:45 day nobody knows what’s real now so 09:50 that’s the time to make decisions as 09:53 local as possible as hyperlocal as 09:55 possible 09:56 right where it’s like not just your 09:59 state level you know your city level not 10:01 just your church but even even your 10:03 small group or whatever that you know 10:05 your ministry teams or however that’s 10:07 manifested in your congregation our 10:11 church we’re here in Indiana and we’re a 10:12 Methodist congregation our bishop has 10:14 done a tremendous job and our pastors 10:16 following right along and and and the 10:19 idea that they say you know the primary 10:21 thing here is do no harm you know why 10:25 would we rush into something that’s 10:26 gonna harm our people if we could wait a 10:29 few more weeks for clarity and I’m like 10:31 hey that sounds smart to me but you know 10:34 that’s why those guys are in charge is 10:35 because they’re there they’re very 10:36 pastoral they’re I mean I don’t want to 10:40 get patriarchal but doing these guys are 10:43 like fathers to us and they care about 10:45 us and and they’re like why rush into it 10:48 so I’m like okay now for kids ministry 10:51 people we we probably get tired of that 10:53 because we’ve had you know we’ve kind of 10:56 been in the backseat of this whole 10:58 conversation because you know the the 11:00 pastors or the governing board or the 11:02 Deacon board depending on how your 11:03 church is structured you know we’re the 11:04 like the last ones that I’m hearing from 11:06 people this week saying you know they 11:08 canceled my 11:08 yes they canceled my VBS that’s yeah 11:11 that’s painful to word it that way and I 11:14 don’t want to jump into that but I mean 11:16 I think with churches opening right now 11:19 I mean there’s that’s the reality the 11:21 churches are um I don’t I need to 11:24 upgrade because I have I have the 11:26 polling tools but I don’t have the the 11:28 geographical thing which I think would 11:30 be really cool cuz you know some weeks 11:32 I’m getting three and four thousand 11:33 responses on these polls and I would 11:35 love to see where you know these Alabama 11:38 churches opening I’m hearing from 11:41 readers who are missionaries you know 11:42 they’re voting in the polls too so this 11:44 is like a really broad broad broad thing 11:46 right and I appreciate that wisdom you 11:49 said just now that it’s not an easy 11:55 choice and do it in phases I think 11:58 phases sounds smart okay so let’s let’s 12:01 let’s flip this over 12:02 what about children’s ministry my my 12:04 children’s ministry as far as I know I 12:07 have not heard of any church doing 12:10 regular children’s ministry before 12:12 school opens is that is that 12:14 controversial 12:15 well no I’m I’m sensing that based on 12:20 what I’m hearing and watching with I 12:26 mean just this morning on our news we’ve 12:28 got well in fact actually should be 12:31 press conference here in Ohio’s going on 12:33 right now our governor is going to be 12:35 announcing whether camps and pools city 12:40 pools and what their recommendations are 12:42 whether those even open but there are 12:44 already cities here in Ohio that have 12:46 said we’re not even opening our city 12:48 pool up at all um we’re just not going 12:51 to do it so when you have that and then 12:53 you have some of the states already 12:54 saying we’re not positive on what the 12:57 recommendations are gonna be for school 12:59 yet we’re not sure if we’re gonna start 13:02 in September or August yeah I I don’t I 13:07 don’t necessarily know that that any 13:09 church is gonna start thinking about 13:11 unless you’re a smaller church smaller 13:14 churches have definitely have the 13:16 advantage right now because they can 13:19 meet together and 13:21 probably can maintain smaller rooms 13:24 smaller groups of kids you know part of 13:28 me says there’s no way you’re gonna keep 13:30 a kid to social distance they don’t 13:32 understand that unless you’re going to 13:34 create a hula hoop contraption that you 13:37 you know put some duct tape around you 13:40 know make a shoulder harness like the 13:41 old sandwich board right and you put 13:44 every kid I mean what are we gonna do is 13:46 that we’re gonna we we had a neighbor 13:49 Michael played a button put him on say 13:51 this we had an illegal play date with my 13:55 daughter and her cousin what you know 13:58 and you silly who’s your daughter and we 14:03 took him to the park outside sunshiny 14:06 day plenty of UV light killing all the 14:08 possible viruses me and my mom were over 14:10 talking about the cars and they were out 14:13 there playing and the one rule was no 14:15 hugging but every time we weren’t 14:17 looking they wanted to hug when we 14:19 weren’t looking and I said man this is a 14:21 mess and I mean that’s what kids our 14:24 kids have all these social needs and 14:25 it’s it’s beautiful that’s the way God 14:27 made us just uh it’s really confusing 14:30 for them well so in my fear my fear is 14:33 is that by by us telling kids don’t 14:36 touch each other we’re creating a fear 14:38 inside of them that is just it’s against 14:41 their god-given nature right and I’m not 14:43 sure I know this will be controversial 14:46 to I’m not sure that’s necessary I mean 14:49 yes we know that kids are carriers are 14:51 supposedly more carriers than others but 14:54 still I mean look if if a kid’s gonna 14:57 carry it they probably are already 14:59 carrying it and so I I don’t know I’m 15:03 not a physician and I don’t play one on 15:04 TV and you’re not doctor Falchi you know 15:07 your name’s not even Anthony or Tony so 15:09 like I’m ahead a there Tom but I I just 15:12 feel like for children’s ministry you 15:15 know there are gonna be things that kids 15:16 are gonna be kids and we just have to 15:18 accept that fact if we’re taking the 15:20 time to clean things and you know it 15:23 there’s no doubt that if when we do come 15:25 back together there are considerations 15:26 about you’re gonna have to separate the 15:28 services out more so that you can clean 15:31 things and wipe things down I mean in 15:34 children’s ministry it’s going to be 15:35 the questions of like in the preschool 15:37 department toys no toys or do you rotate 15:41 and have toys for you know if you have 15:43 multiple services are you gonna withhold 15:45 some toys and then you load everything 15:47 into a bin and ship it out and clean the 15:50 room and then bring in the new clean 15:52 toys you know that kind of thing you 15:57 know I mean I do think there’s ways that 15:59 we can do ministry again you’re just 16:02 gonna have to get a hold of the you know 16:04 the guidelines that are out there use 16:06 common sense but I for me I would 16:11 approach this right now I would be 16:13 surveying families I would be asking 16:15 them how do you feel when do you think 16:18 is a good time to reopen the children’s 16:20 ministry and I would ask those kind of 16:24 questions first before anything else 16:26 before trying to create a phase plan I 16:29 would be asking families because what 16:33 good is it for us as church leaders to 16:34 spend hours debating and figuring out 16:36 pros and cons and we could spend hours 16:38 and hours and hours on and then the 16:42 families are like okay great 16:44 we’re not coming back yet see in 16:46 September is in September yeah well an 16:50 hour art I’m lucky to be in a small 16:52 church I love small churches I’ve always 16:54 loved small churches I feel creeped out 16:55 if I don’t know everybody’s business 16:57 when I walk into the church service but 17:00 you know our and that’s that’s making 17:02 that’s the principle of making things as 17:04 local as possible and you know you go 17:06 down from the church level well what’s 17:07 the next the small group level what the 17:09 families you know and a lot of a lot of 17:12 pastors are doing super great work right 17:14 now just being in touch with people 17:16 ministry staff I mean I think everybody 17:19 is trying to do that and if you if you 17:22 have your finger on the pulse of how 17:24 families are actually feeling you’re 17:26 able to make wise decisions smart 17:28 decisions with the best available 17:30 information and you know there’s there’s 17:33 a family I know who’s the mother has 17:35 asthma she’s their people they’re out 17:37 good for them they’re out no judgment no 17:40 no nothing wrong with that and then 17:42 another family I know they have like 17:45 they do some babysitting in-home day 17:47 care so they’re contaminated they don’t 17:48 care you 17:49 they say let’s go let’s go for it we 17:52 need to get out of the house a powerful 17:55 thing and I think a lot of churches 17:57 aren’t saying this even in the VBS 17:59 discussion and and the coming back and 18:02 outside I mean outside everything I’ve 18:07 read and I’m also not a doctor although 18:09 my name is Tony and I’ve got a master’s 18:11 degree didn’t quite get to the doctorate 18:13 but the outside is where those particles 18:18 those virus particles all that mess you 18:20 know all that science stuff tells you 18:22 outside in sunshine with the wind you 18:25 know running past you even with a mask 18:29 you know I think you’re you’re super 18:31 safe to have a smaller group outside 18:33 spaced out with airflow and sunshine I 18:37 it sounds like that’s the best possible 18:41 scenario yeah so you’re doing kids 18:43 ministry if I was at my old church we 18:45 had this beautiful playground that was 18:47 fenced off well-maintained 18:49 hey we would be outside the entire time 18:52 if I had a choice if if we came back 18:56 this summer which I don’t think they 18:57 would but yeah well I think I think 19:00 that’s you know I mean obviously a lot 19:02 of churches are starting to experiment 19:03 more and do more of the drive in church 19:06 our our church that we attend right now 19:09 last weekend did a really cool Mother’s 19:12 Day event the children’s ministry led 19:13 the way and they I mean it was freezing 19:17 cold but they had a band so they’re 19:21 playing music they brought in they had a 19:24 guy it’s a Christian comedian he put on 19:26 a couple different little 20-minute sets 19:29 and they played it across the radio but 19:33 they were given mom’s a free box of 19:35 doughnuts and some coffee from a couple 19:38 local places here in our town and on the 19:41 way out they all got a flower and you 19:45 know as I was talking with the 19:46 children’s pastor this week and we’re 19:48 kind of debriefing and and he said you 19:50 know we see a lot of potential now in 19:52 that idea knowing that we probably 19:55 aren’t going to have our children’s 19:56 ministry up and running again about 19:59 doing like a monthly 20:01 drive-in 20:02 family experience thing yeah what a 20:05 great stage so we’re up high do it in 20:09 multiple you know give give tickets out 20:11 you know how people sign up for a 20:13 session they come in will keep the 20:15 spaces parked you know so that the 20:17 family can have a parking space or two 20:19 to bring their chairs set out they can 20:22 they can see the stage from where they 20:23 are watch the program jump in their 20:25 vehicles and go and then the next group 20:28 comes in and you know so they’re 20:31 starting to explore some of those 20:33 outside events for doing children’s 20:34 ministry continuing what they’re doing 20:37 online leaning on the curriculum that 20:39 provides a good parent app young that 20:42 gives some good information and stories 20:44 for the kids they’re still encouraging 20:47 small group leaders to call their 20:48 children and talk to them and say hi so 20:51 I think there’s a lot of things we’re 20:53 doing right now we just need to keep 20:55 doing we need to keep evaluating keep 20:58 talking to the families and keep 21:00 watching listening to our local 21:03 government as well as our state figuring 21:05 out again that pulse and and look I mean 21:10 we are seeing so many more people 21:14 watching and tuning in and seeking 21:16 government now than ever 21:17 why would you want to shut that down 21:19 just to bring the holy huddle back I 21:21 don’t get it um to me God’s doing 21:26 something here and the church needs to 21:28 say okay god what’s the new thing you 21:31 want because there’s something new I 21:33 really believe it in my heart that 21:36 there’s something new God wants us to 21:38 look at as a body I think the church has 21:41 gotten too focused on the box and not 21:44 the community yeah and and and we’re 21:48 either let’s make our you know let’s 21:50 keep our box the holy huddle or let’s 21:53 make make multi-site by and again I’m 21:56 not slamming them oh I’m not I’m not but 22:00 right now I love how our church has set 22:03 it that we’re one Church in in about a 22:05 thousand multiple locations right you 22:08 know because we’ve got all these home 22:10 churches going on right now hey let it 22:12 ride right now let’s keep let’s keep 22:14 riding this until 22:16 and there’s no rush there’s really no 22:19 rush to bring people back and risk I 22:21 just don’t want any church as being 22:23 ground zero for another outbreak I mean 22:26 yeah and and you see that that choir I 22:29 don’t even remember where they were at 22:30 that choir that had rehearsal and then 22:33 they contact trace them and they were 22:34 all sick and a few handful passed away 22:37 and it’s like man that’s the nightly 22:39 news your choirs you don’t want your 22:42 choir on the nightly news for that and 22:44 so I let me just recap this and then I’m 22:46 gonna jump back over to and show show 22:48 your podcast off but the NA there’s 22:52 about thirty people watching live hey 22:54 thanks you guys for watching live if you 22:56 have a comment type it in and Tom will 22:58 answer it intelligently and then I’ll 23:00 give you a knock-knock joke whatever you 23:02 need to do again this is tom from kids 23:05 ministry collective i’m tony foreign 23:07 ministry two children comm and we’re 23:08 just here to help you today but so 23:10 principals i i’m gonna vote number one 23:12 do no harm right 23:14 that’s principle one do no harm 23:16 principle to make decisions based on 23:20 relationships as locally as you can like 23:23 drill that down and number three you’re 23:26 saying hey let’s not let’s not throw 23:30 away all the great things that are 23:32 happening online digital you know let’s 23:35 let’s keep the good out of this 23:38 catastrophe well again because you’ve 23:43 got people who have who have the people 23:51 you have the stale mindset oh maybe 23:57 attack and now you have me take you to 24:02 your mama well he’s mad because he wants 24:07 to touch the computer screen oh yeah 24:09 Arianna you gotta take him to your mom 24:10 I’m working come on I know these digital 24:13 native and every baby’s like that they 24:16 yeah they manipulates you to hold them 24:18 and then they don’t really want you they 24:20 want your cell phone they want your 24:22 stuff and and so you know I think I 24:26 think it’s one of those things where you 24:29 know again like say you have 24:30 you have to stay at home mindset you 24:32 have the come to church at mindset now 24:34 you have a combination of the stay at 24:35 home go to church mindset there are 24:38 still going to be people that even if 24:39 you open your building are gonna be that 24:41 stay at home come to church mindset and 24:44 so I say hey let’s keep ministering to 24:46 them let’s let’s keep loving them let’s 24:51 keep serving them but I think I think 24:53 that next principle is is talk to the 24:56 people ask don’t assume don’t base it on 25:00 what you think we often as church we 25:03 react and then and and we react and say 25:06 here here’s what you need and and we 25:08 didn’t we instead of reacting I want to 25:10 say let’s respond and let’s ask and then 25:13 let’s serve them and and I really think 25:17 that that’s what parents want is for us 25:19 to say hey what do you need and what are 25:22 you feeling and do you feel like if we 25:25 reopened you know what’s it gonna take 25:28 for you to feel safe and comfortable 25:30 what’s it gonna say what’s it gonna feel 25:32 like what do we need to do so that you 25:36 know safe with your children in our 25:38 community so well hey that’s great Tom 25:41 and I remember we talked like the first 25:43 week this thing was going down and the 25:45 NBA was canceling and we were like 25:47 everybody’s afraid and me and you talked 25:50 and I don’t I don’t want to claim credit 25:52 for it because it was probably you said 25:54 it but then I repeated that every day 25:56 after that you know ministry means 25:58 service I mean if you look back at the 26:00 word word ministry means service so 26:02 ministry to children ministering to 26:05 families we’re serving those families 26:07 you know your church’s ministry is all 26:09 about helping right so you know if 26:12 you’re helping them helping them know 26:14 God helping them love one another 26:16 helping them you know come to Christ 26:18 follow the Bible all the stuff we’re 26:20 helping that’s what we do so I think 26:22 that’s a powerful work let me we get in 26:24 some questions here on Facebook so I’m 26:26 gonna do the screen share again and hop 26:29 back over see if I can figure this out 26:31 all right can you see this Tom yeah I 26:34 can all right so we’re now on the screen 26:36 share and I’ll start and I don’t know 26:39 why Facebook is obsessed that I need 26:41 have donation buttons because I don’t do 26:43 that but 26:43 anyway they everything I see is that so 26:47 we have a friend from Nam BIA and 26:50 currently in a small church what do you 26:53 think is the digital readiness of small 26:55 church versus big Church hmm well I mean 27:00 again I guess it just depends on on your 27:04 church and on your community where 27:05 you’re serving how how would the people 27:08 there relate to digital versus in person 27:14 and and as far as I mean I think for 27:18 smaller churches you take advantage of 27:20 what you have don’t worry about what you 27:21 don’t have focus on what what God’s put 27:24 in your hands and and you don’t have to 27:27 be fancy you don’t have to do a big in 27:29 fact honestly I’ve seen some of the 27:32 biggest churches now going with the 27:34 simplest I mean well all right I’m gonna 27:38 play an example from from American TV 27:41 last night was the finale of Survivor 27:44 I’m a survivor fan okay that reality TV 27:47 show normally on the grand finale when 27:50 they’re giving away the big prize 27:52 they’ve got this big stage set they’ve 27:54 got a huge crowd and you know and 27:57 there’s there’s a lot of money in that 27:58 production last night it was the host 28:01 Jeff Probst sitting in his garage some 28:06 set designers built him literally out of 28:10 two by fours and paper I don’t know it 28:14 didn’t look like it was very fancy but 28:16 built a set for him and sent him the 28:20 direction step-by-step how to put 28:22 together gave him all the props the fake 28:24 rocks and bushes and lights sent me 28:27 camera and he literally set it all up 28:31 himself in his garage and they produced 28:33 the grand finale from there so I would 28:37 say to a small church you don’t need a\
28:39 big production you need a camera or a 28:42 computer and Internet and you talk to 28:45 the camera and you you play to that and 28:48 you allow people to be blessed with with 28:51 that and in it’s just fine I don’t think 28:54 you have to be fancy to two men 28:57 stirred of people and get the gospel out 28:59 and that’s the thing as the gospel is 29:01 going out across the airwaves and across 29:03 the internet like we’ve never seen 29:05 before 29:06 right um we’ve got pastors who who are 29:09 used to preaching to ten people who are 29:12 now reaching hundreds or thousands and 29:15 they’re televangelists and they didn’t 29:17 even dream about being they don’t have 29:18 to wear a fancy suit they can just sit 29:20 there in a t-shirt with their Bible and 29:22 and I’ve seen some big names pastors on 29:25 in their living rooms sitting there just 29:28 teaching God’s Word from it so I hope 29:31 that totally answers the question 29:33 exactly what they were looking for but I 29:34 hope so 29:35 no that’s great and let me let me hop 29:37 back over to my screen share and figure 29:38 this out and I appreciate you guys this 29:42 is actually the first time I’ve ever 29:43 gone live on ministry to children I mean 29:45 we’ve done it with Tom I’ve done it with 29:47 other websites but this is the first 29:50 time we’re trying to hear so you guys 29:51 are brave and you’re doing great and 29:54 actually sherry asked that she says is 29:56 this recorded no it’s not it’s not 30:01 pre-recorded we are recording it and 30:02 it’ll be available later and that’s why 30:05 the babies just come up here and the 30:06 daughter goes outside and and all this 30:09 stuff it’s real life we’re not in a 30:12 studio that’s where there’s no studios 30:14 left I’m seeing my comments but I can’t 30:17 find him it says there’s eight comments 30:20 and I’m only seeing four Tom am i unable 30:24 to do facebook all right let’s see here 30:28 let’s see I got one sandy said yes let’s 30:31 embrace what we have what we’ve been 30:34 able to ship to Mellon one Church 2,000 30:37 homes thanks for saying what I’m seeing 30:38
yeah yeah I saw those comments a 30:41 minute ago now they’re going I don’t 30:42 know what I did wrong yeah that’s your 30:45 quote Tom that’s a great quote one 30:49 church and a thousand homes I mean then 30:51 you know everybody’s obsessed about the 30:55 early church and how they did things and 30:57 there’s pros and cons of that but really 31:00 house church is legit that’s the way 31:02 churches were yeah maybe three or four 31:06 hundred years for sure and that’s the 31:08 way churches are in countries that 31:11 you know it’s not cool or publicly 31:13 acceptable or even legal to be a public 31:16 Church so yeah I think how church is 31:19 great I think this is this should be 31:22 opening our eyes to what’s up let me hop 31:25 over so apple podcast kids ministry 31:28 collective so you just search that on 31:30 your Apple podcast or any platform any
31:33 platform okay show up in a variety of 31:35 platforms yeah I have it on I have it on 31:38 my Google podcast somehow but I don’t 31:40 know how I found it in the first place 31:42 but yeah so this is the one you were 31:45 talking about earlier yeah that’s that’s 31:47 the newest one and and as you can see in 31:50 the show notes there there’s a my link 31:53 for my blog and Ron Brooks my co-host on 31:56 that episode both Ron has a great blog 32:00 that has a ton of information on it and 32:03 and he does a better job he’s a man I’ve 32:09 known I’ve known Ron for years on the 32:11 internet only but I’ve never never been 32:13 able to find him at a conference I don’t 32:15 know why look on the blog then you’ll 32:17 you’ll see the blog page yeah so here’s 32:20 runs here’s Ron and then here’s Tom and 32:24 definitely if you guys are struggling 32:27 with this before you open your building 32:30 that’s the that’s what everybody’s 32:32 thinking about this week and it’s more 32:35 than just hand sanitizer and face masks 32:38 you know you got to decide if you’re 32:39 gonna sing you got to decide if you’re 32:41 gonna rope off pews I have a friend 32:44 who’s a Southern Baptist pastor and his 32:46 church opened Sunday and they’re in a 32:49 very very rural area and they’ve had 32:51 like two cases in the whole county and 32:54 the health the the county health 32:57 director is in his praise band so I mean 33:00 he’s got the inside track and they you 33:02 know they had church and 400-seat 33:05 congregation and they had like 40 people 33:08 and he said you know what nobody was in 33:11 danger but I’m not sure if it was worth 33:13 it kind of thing right right well 33:15 unfortunately and I hope this doesn’t 33:18 come across the wrong way but I see that 33:20 there are I fear that sometimes it 33:24 because people have you know pastors 33:27 have have felt the financial crunch 33:29 offerings are down and they’re you know 33:32 and if they haven’t gotten the e give 33:34 set up and that kind of thing they’re 33:38 not able to take offerings and 33:39 unfortunately that is motivating some 33:41 I’m not saying all but I know that’s a 33:43 pressure and I understand that and I 33:49 know a lot of families have lost jobs 33:51 and don’t have income coming in I’m one 33:55 of those that ever worked for my wife 33:57 right now I know not sure what we’d be 33:59 doing and you know it’s gotten tough 34:02 sometimes for all of us and so my giving 34:04 is even back down just a little bit 34:06 because I’m not bringing home as much 34:08 but so I know there’s some pressures for 34:11 famine for churches that way but I do 34:14 like I said I think we don’t want to 34:16 rush patients it’s a virtue right yeah 34:19 and and I don’t think that God’s gonna 34:22 be angry with us if we said hey you know 34:24 what we’re just gonna be the church in 34:28 our neighborhoods for a little while 34:29 longer 34:30 and and I’ve often said you know I mean 34:33 you look at acts 1:8 and the church was 34:36 all gathered together in Jerusalem and 34:38 they were all tighten and knit and and 34:40 but that wasn’t what Jesus had told them 34:42 to do right he said it when he left 34:44 go get out I want he I really for I 34:48 almost wished the the original really 34:50 had come out and said get out of 34:52 Jerusalem you know but but they set 34:55 there and congregated for a long time 34:56 after he left and what happened well 34:59 yeah the the church was growing in 35:02 Jerusalem but it wasn’t growing anywhere 35:03 else there the disciples were all 35:05 congregated there and it took a 35:06 persecution acts 8:1 for them to blow 35:09 out and get outside the walls of 35:11 Jerusalem 35:12 well I often thought that that’s what it 35:14 was gonna take from the American church 35:15 to really see a nut the next revival it 35:19 was going to take a major persecution 35:21 and at times I’m thinking you know what 35:23 I think God is allowing this to sweep 35:27 through to say hey Church wake up I told 35:30 you not to get congregated in the 35:32 building all the time don’t don’t make 35:34 it a holy huddle place but get out there 35:37 and I think we have a 35:38 golden opportunity I was telling my 35:41 pastor I said I think this is a this is 35:43 fantastic 35:44 I don’t think this is a bad thing I mean 35:46 yes I miss being around people yes I 35:49 would miss it if I was a kids pastor in 35:51 a kids ministry again I love being with 35:53 my kids I loved yeah but I’m also having 35:59 the opportunity that I could invite a 36:00 neighbor over to watch the service with 36:02 me now and and they’re not threatened by 36:04 it because yeah you know of anything and 36:06 they’re coming to my house and they’re 36:08 hanging out with me and I just think 36:11 like I said don’t miss this opportunity 36:13 and don’t miss the opportunity to think 36:15 about what could be new in our 36:17 children’s ministries as we come back 36:18 together what you know we have parents 36:21 disciple in their kids how do we help 36:23 equip them more what do we resource them 36:25 more to do we have an opportunity to 36:28 recruit more because now we have all 36:30 these parents who have done children’s 36:31 ministry for the last couple months yeah 36:36 you guys you guys are on the hook yeah 36:40 well let me play off that just a second 36:42 because you talking about inviting 36:43 neighbors and I’ve got a few more 36:46 comments and Tom are you good on time I 36:47 promise you 15 minutes but you know I’m 36:51 a liar I’ve always been a liar no 36:55 especially with time so you said you’re 37:00 inviting neighbors and we talked I I 37:02 just watched your your kids ministry 37:05 collective did a interview about a new 37:06 VBS that’s out there and I’m not gonna 37:08 plug that here but it’s like backyard 37:11 Bible school inviting the neighbor kids 37:14 I mean our little girl wants to play 37:16 with the neighbors so bad but we’ve been 37:18 just telling your no wait to the virus 37:20 wait to the virus and then online 37:22 I’ve watched I’ve watched some other
37:24 churches to be honest I’m a church 37:27 hopper online now because this this 37:29 really cool local church has a Saturday 37:31 night service that I’m just like bored 37:33 I’m like hey I’m gonna watch this it’s a 37:34 great thing to to experience their 37:37 worship with them and then I’ve had 37:39 friends who have invited to church many 37:42 times even a family member who have 37:44 invited in church and now they’re gonna 37:46 come there they’re doing online with me 37:49 so I’m gonna I’m it’s on Facebook I send 37:51 in the end 37:52 and they’re there and I’m like what you 37:55 know I’ve won I wanted let’s say my mom 37:57 for an example I’ve wanted my mom to 37:59 visit the church for quite a while and 38:01 she kind of goes she has her own church 38:03 but she never goes so it’s kind of like 38:05 mom just come somewhere you know come 38:07 somewhere where they’re gonna know your 38:08 name which is what kind of our our niche 38:10 for our church and so we’re able to do 38:14 that know but back to the persecution 38:17 and I don’t want to call this a 38:18 persecution I don’t I know there’s some 38:20 people like far on the right saying you 38:22 know you’re close to our churches this 38:24 is you know ya know this is Roman Empire 38:26 stuff I know I don’t believe that I 38:27 believe I believe I’m gonna give the 38:32 public officials the benefit of the 38:33 doubt that they’re just trying to do 38:34 what’s best and but at the same time 38:37 this is a hardship a disaster and 38:42 impediments it’s a bad thing happening 38:46 and I think you see that all through 38:49 Scripture all through church history 38:50 whenever bad things happen God’s people 38:54 wake up you know we just like wake up 38:57 seek the Lord and see that every bad 39:01 thing that’s happening god has a secret 39:04 purpose in that if we’re just faithful 39:07 and get back to the basics you know get 39:08 back to loving our neighbor the great 39:11 Commandments love the Lord your God with 39:12 all your heart soul mind strength okay 39:14 yeah that’s easy to do right no it’s 39:15 impossible but and then love your 39:17 neighbor as yourself 39:18 friends I am gonna confess will have 39:22 confession time in a minute Tom but I’m 39:23 gonna confess right now out of all my 39:26 neighbors I probably know half of their 39:30 names and we live in an apartment 39:32 building so I know half of their names 39:34 and then in terms of eating with them 39:37 I have only like ate a meal with them 39:40 when they cook out right and I say hey 39:43 this barbeque I’m coming you know so 39:46 that’s that’s that’s honesty here that 39:49 all Christians need you know cook out 39:53 you know I’ve got I’ve got a huge I’ve 39:55 got a hundred Sam’s hot dogs because I 39:56 panic bought them and they were on sale 39:58 or whatever I don’t know why but they’re 39:59 in the freezer that’s where they all 40:01 went 40:01 I’ve gotta know and my family hates them 40:04 I’m the only one to eat them 40:05 I’m kind of thinking about giving up me 40:07 so there you go we need to have a 40:09 cookout all right let me jump back to 40:10 the screen share Tom and we’re gonna we 40:13 got a couple more comments coming in and 40:14 and I appreciate you guys who are 40:16 hanging in there with us I hope we’re 40:18 not rambling too much I we’re up to 35 40:20 World Records hmm all right so Natalie 40:24 says your resources have been very 40:25 helpful gospel centered messages that 40:28 are not watered-down even at the 40:30 preschool hey and that’s that’s a great 40:32 praise and it’s not it’s not my 40:34 editorial skills it’s just God has given 40:36 us the right people on our website to do 40:39 that because teaching the gospel not 40:43 water down to preschoolers is hard for 40:46 some people but these these are great 40:47 moms and Sunday school teachers who have 40:49 done this so Thank You Natalie 40:51 appreciate that ever from Kenya they do 40:56 a Bible Club for kids and they’re using 40:58 our stuff for under reach children thank 41:00 you for sharing that and they’re doing 41:04 recording for younger kids and zoom 41:07 calls for older kids so far so good 41:09 engagement is very different I know my 41:12 daughter does some online stuff at our 41:14 church too it’s hard you know and the 41:16 kids are coming over but I love what you 41:19 said here the Lord is still on his 41:21 throne and if we don’t learn anything 41:24 else from this experience you know we’re 41:28 all learning to wash our hands and stuff 41:29 like that and not touch dirty stuff you 41:32 know but if we don’t learn that the Lord 41:34 is stillness throne even when our 41:36 society completely disintegrates falls 41:40 apart you know this is not this is not 41:42 World War two level suffering you know 41:45 like the that they had in so many places 41:47 this is this is American sitting home 41:50 getting fat watching Netflix you know 41:51 this is our hardship is nowhere compared 41:54 to what real hardship does but I 41:57 appreciate this from Kenya that you know 42:01 that that everywhere in the world this 42:03 is not a u.s. problem and I think that’s 42:06 when I get sick you know Tom you’re on 42:08 Apple news probably too and I watch 42:09 Apple news and for some reason Apple 42:11 news tell it pretends like America is 42:14 all that exists and I have to like dig 42:15 through the internet to find global news 42:17 now but 42:19 you know there’s no there’s no there’s 42:22 no borders on the kingdom of God and so 42:25 I appreciate I appreciate that word from 42:28 Kenya 42:29 one more here Robin using zoom Sunday 42:32 school working well but the kids want to 42:34 come to church and and maybe we can riff 42:36 on that for a minute because I have 42:38 noticed that children have social needs 42:42 that are not satisfied by eLearning and 42:46 by dad yelling at them to do their math 42:49 and I think that’s true with church too 42:53 and for me this has been you know I’m 42:58 I’m kind of focused on curriculum design 43:00 I’m focused on you know you know gospel 43:02 centered all these all these cool things 43:04 that I’m hearing feedback I really love 43:05 to hear that because that’s what I’m I’m 43:08 focused on that’s what my brains working 43:10 on that’s what my background you know 43:12 education blah blah blah but the reality 43:14 is kids need community yeah you know if 43:18 you go back to that fellowship stuff you 43:21 know the church is fellowship not just 43:23 for grown-ups but for kids how do you 43:25 think kids are dealing with that Tom 43:26 well um man that’s that’s a great thing 43:29 because a great question because I in a 43:32 point of discussion because one of the 43:35 things that I’m concerned about is is 43:37 the the mental and emotional well-being 43:40 of kids because of the lack of physical 43:44 contact of just it’s there’s a ministry 43:54 that I follow closely called key 43:56 ministry yeah they do a lot of stuff 43:59 with special need as well as mental 44:01 health and anxiety and I get a podcast 44:03 with some ladies from their team and 44:05 phenomenal wisdom and I know they’re 44:09 concerned because they see that you know 44:11 there are a lot of kids that are 44:13 suffering more anxiety and different 44:15 things because they’re not around their 44:17 friends anymore 44:18 and yeah just seeing their friend on a 44:20 computer screen isn’t the same as being 44:24 there to hang out and to be close and to 44:27 give them a hug and so I do think 44:29 there’s a lot of kids that are 44:30 struggling 44:31 not just from zoom 44:33 but just from the fatigue of not being 44:36 around their peers and not engaging and 44:39 we are built for community there’s no 44:42 doubt about it and that’s why it’s so 44:44 hard for me to say be patient and wait 44:46 and go slow because I understand I am a 44:49 people person 44:50 i I thrive 44:53 being around others and and what’s funny 44:57 is is actually I’m not somedays yes I do 44:59 get a little fatigued being online so 45:01 much but there’s other times where at 45:03 least I get to see you and at least I’m 45:05 hearing your voice not you and I seen 45:07 you react and that’s better than a phone 45:09 call and it’s better than not seeing you 45:13 but I miss I miss being able to go in 45:16 the coffee shop and so yesterday a buddy 45:18 of mine I I said hey dude let’s let’s 45:21 hit this coffee shop that we both love 45:23 and let’s park our trucks side-by-side 45:26 so we can talk to each other but and 45:29 then and then at the end I for the humor 45:32 sake of it I grabbed my hand sanitizer 45:33 and I covered my hand and then we fist 45:36 bumped each other yeah let me let me let 45:43 me pick up on that Tom because the last 45:45 time I saw you was at children’s pastors 45:48 conference in January like just a few 45:52 weeks before this thing went crazy and 45:54 me and you and we love children’s 45:57 pastors conference if you guys go to a 45:59 conference that’s the one that’s the one 46:00 to go to if you can go to all of them go 46:03 to all of them but if you can go to one 46:05 that’s the one it’s awesome and 46:07 children’s pastors conference me and you 46:09 and and Carl Bastian kid ology best 46:14 website and children’s ministry I love 46:16 my website but his website is better and 46:18 we were out there and I I came through I 46:22 was gonna go see here this speaker I’d 46:24 been I’ve been dying to hear the speaker 46:26 and you guys are out there talking and 46:27 we just sit down and start talking about 46:28 life talking about Disneyworld star wars 46:31 a little bit of politics even but that 46:35 that you know ninety minute conversation 46:38 was encouraging to me as much as you 46:42 know I did listen to listen to the 46:43 online later but that was that was a 46:45 powerful 46:46 and I think when you say humans you know 46:49 the way God designed us is for 46:51 relationship we need we need one another 46:53 that’s that’s what makes the church 46:55 powerful and I think that’s same for 46:57 kids too and Robin just now in the 46:59 comments a few minutes ago she said you 47:01 know kids can’t play games and do 47:03 puzzles as a group online yeah and there 47:06 are some good zoom games I found a few I 47:08 posted them a few weeks ago it was a 47:10 it’s a great YouTube channel she mostly 47:12 does birthday games Shawna how but I 47:15 posted on the blog some twenty zoom 47:18 games that kids can do and it was it was 47:20 amazing and kids need relationship games 47:27 for whatever reason in children’s 47:29 ministry I believe games are the way you 47:32 make relationships happen it’s how you 47:35 introduce your lesson if you I love the 47:39 last few years we’ve had a lady writing 47:41 lesson plans for us on the website and 47:42 she tries to include games it’s like 47:44 lesson introduction slash games and it’s 47:48 like always so fun and it gets into it 47:51 kind of gets the ideas out there but 47:54 then the kids build relationships with 47:56 which we know matters all the studies 47:58 say you know your friends and children’s 48:00 church if you keep those friends in 48:01 youth group and you know that’s that’s 48:03 gonna boost your faith journey having 48:06 those relationships 48:07 yeah I’ll share that link here in a 48:10 minute if I don’t break my if I don’t 48:12 break my your popcorns going okay buddy 48:16 I move on popcorns gone anyway so I 48:20 think oh no no you just dumped all the 48:26 popcorn seeds in the side without the 48:28 garbage just oh of course 48:31 okay so there’s real life for you zoom 48:36 games zoom games for kids you’ll find a 48:39 bunch of great stuff on there and 48:40 they’re they’re just just fun little 48:43 stuff zoom games for kids you can google 48:45 that you might find us on there but 48:47 whatnot hey sherry just she just 48:50 commented I love both websites kid ology 48:53 and Ministry of children Thank You 48:55 sherry kid ology is I don’t want to call 48:57 him the grandfather because he’s not 48:58 that much older than me but 49:00 I’ll tell you I started in children’s 49:02 ministry 2005 we got out of Bible 49:05 College got a little Church I was the I 49:08 was full-time but I got like you know 49:09 half the pay that you’re supposed to get 49:11 when you’re full-time and that was my 49:13 lifeline children’s ministry magazine 49:15 and kadala g.com org I forget what they 49:20 are now it just comes up but those were 49:22 my things and so shout-out to kid ology 49:26 children’s ministry comm all these great 49:28 websites okay you want to do confessions 49:32 city buddies still watching 49:34 let’s see if people are still watching 49:36 cuz you know that’s oh we’re dwindling 49:38 we’ve peaked so we’re gonna stop soon I 49:41 promised you 15 minutes cuz I said Thom 49:44 15 minutes is all you need on on a 49:46 webinar or a conversation but then this 49:51 stuff happens and then before we know 49:52 what we’re gonna miss the next session 49:54 of the conference in the next session 49:55 and then they they closed the restaurant 49:58 we didn’t even get dinner it’s just here 49:59 alright so the worst thing I’ve done 50:02 this is this is the question look this 50:04 is the game we should have done this 50:05 first the worst thing I did have the 50:09 illegal play date with my little girl on 50:12 my end and her cousin out in the I did 50:15 go to an illegal wedding an illegal 50:19 wedding a house wedding it was in the 50:21 state of Kentucky which was there they 50:23 they’re pretty pretty far walking down 50:25 in Kentucky and there was no masks and 50:28 we were there for like five hours but 50:30 there was eight of us and we were all 50:31 immediate family who lived in different 50:33 houses so it was kind of it was okay 50:37 those are the two worst things I think 50:39 I’ve done so far what do you got 50:42 I’m so boring man I hope you’re not a 50:46 troublemaker 50:47 hi well yeah I know I mean my wife works 50:51 in the hospital and so I I was I was 50:54 under direct orders to never leave the 50:57 house right so I my life consisted of 51:00 getting up dry I would drive to Dunkin 51:03 Donuts to get my coffee if I didn’t want 51:05 to make it myself that morning I guess 51:08 that’s the worst thing is that I can 51:10 pull up to the drive-through now and say 51:12 good morning and the guy there that were 51:14 the drive-through window I actually 51:16 think he might be the he might could be 51:18 one of the owners I don’t know for sure 51:20 but he’ll say hey Tom come on up I got 51:22 your order because I would oh I always 51:24 mobile order so he knows my voice what 51:31 my life consists of going to Dunkin and 51:34 coming home and then working online 51:36 working on the KMC doing podcasts I do 51:40 ministry coaching and and well that’s 51:42 not there’s not a lot I’m also a travel 51:44 agent again what a good bit that’s why 51:48 what I made the Colorado having a lot of 51:49 income coming in because yeah it both 51:52 businesses are kind of in the desert 51:56 right now but so yeah so my life has 52:01 been very boring I just kind of stay 52:03 around but you know it gives like I said 52:05 it does give me opportunity to to get to 52:07 know my neighbors and to work out you 52:09 know I by doing stuff with them and 52:11 helping them because they’re both older 52:13 and we’ve done a lot of errand running 52:14 for them I think I think the only wild 52:17 side I had was one moment is because I 52:19 did go to Walmart without my mask yeah I 52:23 know took my life into my hands I’m like 52:25 yeah then I walked through the valley of 52:26 the shadow of ricin mungus and and viral 52:31 whatever I’m like I’m going in um 52:35 all because I wanted my trail mix and my 52:37 Mountain Dew oh man that’s a confession 52:41 there I mean I I was doing I was 52:43 breaking the law for good reasons you’re 52:45 just breaking it for gluttony I mean I 52:51 needed my trail mix and I needed my 52:52 Mountain Dew I’m with you no well I did 52:55 pick up a couple other things from my 52:57 wife you know necessities 52:59 well hey Tom let me wrap this up it says 53:03 we’ve been going about 51 minutes so 53:05 that’s a little longer than 15 but hey I 53:08 appreciate you you guys if you don’t 53:10 know Tom check out the kids ministry 53:11 collective check out his podcast Tom 53:14 bump calm like I’m doing boom yeah and 53:19 and of course I’m Tony for ministry 53:21 children in it and I appreciate you guys 53:23 for making this first live first 53:26 Facebook live we’ve ever done that’s how 53:28 backward I am technologically but I 53:30 appreciate you guys and let me know if 53:33 you enjoy it maybe we’ll do some more 53:35 I’ve got I’ve got lots of friends in 53:36 ministry who I I could call and harass 53:39 I’ll say no I’ll come back on four in 53:42 ten Tom’s Tom’s a travel agent so he’s 53:44 doing nothing I should tell you 53:49 I just had my I Drive a school bus right 53:54 so I drive a school bus I’m a church 53:56 administrator and I do websites and I 53:59 actually do consulting for another for a 54:01 curriculum company and so I’m like I’ve 54:04 got four jobs but I’ve I feel like I’ve 54:06 done nothing you know from what four 54:08 months although I know I’m doing stuff 54:10 it just it doesn’t feel like it because 54:12 I haven’t drove the school bus that’s 54:15 that’s my book end of the day get up 54:17 drive the school bus work during the day 54:19 at the church drive the school bus come 54:21 home work at night on the computer it’s 54:22 it just makes sense but now it’s just 54:24 every day a Saturday and there’s never a 54:27 Sunday but searches are coming back 54:30 twenty percent are open this week and I 54:32 expect that to come ramp up very rapidly 54:34 so hey Tom thanks again Lord bless you 54:37 Lori King make his face shine upon you 54:40 amen I don’t know how to stop it I’m 54:48 stalling with with benedictions alright 54:51 see you guys