When to re-open church? What about the kids ministry? Let’s talk Coronavirus.

COVID-19 has been closing churches since March 15th. Congregations are starting to come back. 20% of churches will open for in-person events this Sunday (5/17). That’s up from a low of 3.6% on 4/19. We’ve been polling our website readers every week: What is your church doing this Sunday? Full results at the link below. We went live on Facebook with Tom Bump from the Kids Ministry Collective to talk through all these issues (and more).

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Evans and I’m seriously thinking like 15
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minutes and just see what happens cuz
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I’ve never done one on the page before
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yeah so yeah you have to they’ll bid if
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you have your other page open you’ll see
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a little delay yeah I saw that I’m on
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the zoom video here and what’s it
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showing me well then we’re live I I
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trust Facebook like I haven’t trusted
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anyone since George Bush so let’s go
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with that
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hey Tom hey thanks for jumping on here
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I’m Tony Kumar I’m the founder and
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editor of Ministry of children calm kind
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of a popular website we just try to help
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people do children’s ministry for free
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and Tom of course you are the founder or
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manager I don’t know what you are you
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are the the boss in my opinion ministry
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collective and you do coaching and you
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and you’re just out there helping people
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in ministry every day too so I try
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anyway well we all need to try you know
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do or do not there is no try
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said a wise man once so today hey I just
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wanted to talk about church’s reopening
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because I’ve been running polls on my
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website and I’m gonna I’m gonna jump
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over and screen share that in a minute
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but since the pandemic happened I just
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woke up in the middle of the night and I
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said you know why don’t I run a poll
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every Sunday during the pandemic to see
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churches opening and closing and opening
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and closing and it’s not scientific I
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don’t have like location tracking and
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all this stuff but I think it’s it’s
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very interesting in a general kind of
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art to see where the churches have been
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closing and opening and I I wanted to
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grab you and talk about that because
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you’ve had a couple of really great
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podcast just this week about how
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churches are supposed to reopen so yeah
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yeah it’s definitely obviously a hot
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topic right now for any leader I mean
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kid ministry senior leader to be
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thinking about the idea of how
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when should we open how should we reopen
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should we reopen the building anytime
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soon and yeah I’ve had some really great
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conversations with some some really good
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thought leaders that have have put out
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some really good information so yeah
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it’s a good timely thing to be
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dialoguing about any because it changes
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all the time too it does so I’m gonna
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jump onto my website and we’ve had the
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poll you know it’s mostly been right
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here in the sidebar if you’re seeing
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that but I’ve been tracking this since
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March 15th
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because that was the first Sunday after
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the w-h-o declared a pandemic and my
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church had it on the 15th and then we
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were done we’ve been done since then but
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I’ve basically asked the same question
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every week is is your church doing
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online only which is this top column
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this top row is your church doing
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modified like and that’s just wide open
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like you know or you drive home
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drive-through service or whatever or
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you’re just running things normal right
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and so this is an error that this first
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weeks wrong so the first weeks wrong on
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my website so that’s the other thing you
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should know about Ministry of Children
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we have more typos per thousand words
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than any website in the history of the
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world and that’s all on me and my my
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failures here so actually the first week
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was was inverted that’s a there was only
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there was 65% open the first week and
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then and then it went downhill fast
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anyway what I’m interested in more right
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now is this last few weeks and we saw a
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little bit of bump for Mother’s Day and
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whatnot but then this week we’re looking
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at the poll for this week and you can
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see it right in the sidebar it’s
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hovering right around 80 percent right
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now so that’s telling me that the last
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few weeks you know you’ve seen it on the
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news you’ve you’ve heard rumors from
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your friends everybody like in kids
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ministry collect if you guys have the
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best Facebook group out there in my
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opinion for well there’s one other
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that’s better but it’s it’s church
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secretaries and I’m in that group too
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that one’s really
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impressive but you know they’re they’ve
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been around for a while Church
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secretaries they’re gonna win every time
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because they know everything yeah they
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do yeah
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so it looks like about 20% of churches
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in one form or another are gonna be open
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this week if you look at modified stuff
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or normal schedule so I’m gonna jump
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back to you and stop the screen share
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tell me what you’re thinking about that
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do you think that you think that 80% of
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I mean are you surprised by that well uh
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yeah I I am surprised it so many I mean
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but it also depends on where they’re at
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yeah they’re everywhere yeah everywhere
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because that I mean that really is
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that’s to me is the number one factor
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more than anything is where you’re
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located and how how high the numbers are
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in your area if you’re in an area a part
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of the country where it’s not that high
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then yeah it doesn’t surprise me that
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you feel comfortable enough and your
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people feel comfortable enough coming
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back to a building other areas I mean I
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live in Ohio we’re not at that place
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where I mean tomorrow is when will I
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finally get a haircut yes well I don’t
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know if I’m gonna get in there open I
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have no clue when I’ll get in and and if
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I have to wait too long I’m gonna go I’m
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shaving it I’m done no I mean Tom
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honestly look at this look at this this
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isn’t a this is it on a catastrophe my
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wife Oh
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my wife’s from Haiti and she says
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catastrophe you know when she looks at
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my hair and it’s driving me crazy I got
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I’ve got the mullet going in the back
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now I mean hey hey you’re relevant I
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mean 70s ministry is coming back you’re
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there yes so anyway yeah enough of the
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hair stuff that wasn’t what we talked
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about no no we’re only we’re on a focus
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break here hey let’s do it so but the
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whole thing is is that that yeah it in
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some place like I said I after talking I
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mean Ron Ron Brooks and I did this
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podcast it’s up live right now on the
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kid mystery collectors
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cast it we talked with a guy named Greg
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Atkinson who has a huge website Facebook
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group about first impressions and
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worship and stuff and and Greg does a
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lot of research and is really in tune
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with all things and he put out some
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great information a great blog post
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about reopening and questions you should
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ask
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even a survey that churches can use and
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excuse me and and one of the things that
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we talked about and I’m totally in
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agreement with I think churches need to
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pump the brakes and be very patient
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about re-engaging their buildings
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III know people are missing each other I
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know people are fatigued on screens but
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we don’t want to be unwise in the whole
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idea of it’s real hair friends it’s real
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this is real life this is this is real
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life but but I I think you know we have
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got to be wise and and and I think this
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is part of stewardship and leadership at
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the same time that we’ve got to make
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sure we’re being careful and so I like
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with Greg on this one of I say be
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patient I say just because you can
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doesn’t mean you should I think as
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leaders we need to make sure we’re in
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touch with our community and feeling the
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pulse of where we live and like I said
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if you’re in an area where you’re not
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hard hit where cases aren’t high people
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are probably gonna feel a little more
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comfortable
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but I’m still I’m i’m of the opinion i
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think of starting in some phases to
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maybe where we start with home groups
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where you could have your community
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groups or small groups or whatever you
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call them come together and maybe meet
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at one person’s house and start there
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where you’re washing watching the
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service together maybe having a meal
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having some engagement time where you’re
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talking together as a family
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reset the service so that it’s more
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family focused where kid there’s
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elements for kids and students in the
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end there and maybe even a little
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shorter
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honestly yes revivals coming but I think
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I think you know people don’t need to be
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watching for so long but I but I think
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starting with out like like house groups
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to me would be an excellent first phase
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and and would allow people to start
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getting comfortable back with a small
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group and then build on that into a more
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of a structured gathering and and we can
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talk more about that in a minute if you
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want yeah and I think I think what
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you’re saying is exactly right and I
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heard this on another smart podcast I
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listened to and the guy was basically
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saying you know nobody has any data on
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this so nobody knows what’s gonna happen
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it’s all we’re just guessing you know
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even Anthony Falchi the whole the whole
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CDC thing I mean those guys are doing
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incredible work but at the end of the
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day nobody knows what’s real now so
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that’s the time to make decisions as
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local as possible as hyperlocal as
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possible
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right where it’s like not just your
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state level you know your city level not
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just your church but even even your
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small group or whatever that you know
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your ministry teams or however that’s
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manifested in your congregation our
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church we’re here in Indiana and we’re a
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Methodist congregation our bishop has
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done a tremendous job and our pastors
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following right along and and and the
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idea that they say you know the primary
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thing here is do no harm you know why
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would we rush into something that’s
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gonna harm our people if we could wait a
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few more weeks for clarity and I’m like
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hey that sounds smart to me but you know
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that’s why those guys are in charge is
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because they’re there they’re very
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pastoral they’re I mean I don’t want to
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get patriarchal but doing these guys are
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like fathers to us and they care about
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us and and they’re like why rush into it
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so I’m like okay now for kids ministry
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people we we probably get tired of that
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because we’ve had you know we’ve kind of
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been in the backseat of this whole
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conversation because you know the the
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pastors or the governing board or the
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Deacon board depending on how your
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church is structured you know we’re the
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like the last ones that I’m hearing from
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people this week saying you know they
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canceled my
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yes they canceled my VBS that’s yeah
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that’s painful to word it that way and I
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don’t want to jump into that but I mean
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I think with churches opening right now
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I mean there’s that’s the reality the
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churches are um I don’t I need to
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upgrade because I have I have the
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polling tools but I don’t have the the
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geographical thing which I think would
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be really cool cuz you know some weeks
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I’m getting three and four thousand
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responses on these polls and I would
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love to see where you know these Alabama
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churches opening I’m hearing from
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readers who are missionaries you know
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they’re voting in the polls too so this
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is like a really broad broad broad thing
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right and I appreciate that wisdom you
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said just now that it’s not an easy
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choice and do it in phases I think
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phases sounds smart okay so let’s let’s
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let’s flip this over
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what about children’s ministry my my
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children’s ministry as far as I know I
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have not heard of any church doing
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regular children’s ministry before
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school opens is that is that
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controversial
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well no I’m I’m sensing that based on
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what I’m hearing and watching with I
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mean just this morning on our news we’ve
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got well in fact actually should be
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press conference here in Ohio’s going on
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right now our governor is going to be
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announcing whether camps and pools city
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pools and what their recommendations are
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whether those even open but there are
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already cities here in Ohio that have
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said we’re not even opening our city
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pool up at all um we’re just not going
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to do it so when you have that and then
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you have some of the states already
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saying we’re not positive on what the
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recommendations are gonna be for school
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yet we’re not sure if we’re gonna start
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in September or August yeah I I don’t I
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don’t necessarily know that that any
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church is gonna start thinking about
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unless you’re a smaller church smaller
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churches have definitely have the
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advantage right now because they can
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meet together and
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probably can maintain smaller rooms
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smaller groups of kids you know part of
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me says there’s no way you’re gonna keep
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a kid to social distance they don’t
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understand that unless you’re going to
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create a hula hoop contraption that you
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you know put some duct tape around you
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know make a shoulder harness like the
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old sandwich board right and you put
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every kid I mean what are we gonna do is
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that we’re gonna we we had a neighbor
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Michael played a button put him on say
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this we had an illegal play date with my
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daughter and her cousin what you know
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and you silly who’s your daughter and we
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took him to the park outside sunshiny
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day plenty of UV light killing all the
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possible viruses me and my mom were over
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talking about the cars and they were out
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there playing and the one rule was no
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hugging but every time we weren’t
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looking they wanted to hug when we
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weren’t looking and I said man this is a
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mess and I mean that’s what kids our
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kids have all these social needs and
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it’s it’s beautiful that’s the way God
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made us just uh it’s really confusing
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for them well so in my fear my fear is
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is that by by us telling kids don’t
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touch each other we’re creating a fear
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inside of them that is just it’s against
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their god-given nature right and I’m not
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sure I know this will be controversial
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to I’m not sure that’s necessary I mean
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yes we know that kids are carriers are
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supposedly more carriers than others but
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still I mean look if if a kid’s gonna
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carry it they probably are already
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carrying it and so I I don’t know I’m
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not a physician and I don’t play one on
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TV and you’re not doctor Falchi you know
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your name’s not even Anthony or Tony so
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like I’m ahead a there Tom but I I just
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feel like for children’s ministry you
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know there are gonna be things that kids
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are gonna be kids and we just have to
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accept that fact if we’re taking the
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time to clean things and you know it
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there’s no doubt that if when we do come
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back together there are considerations
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about you’re gonna have to separate the
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services out more so that you can clean
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things and wipe things down I mean in
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children’s ministry it’s going to be
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the questions of like in the preschool
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department toys no toys or do you rotate
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and have toys for you know if you have
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multiple services are you gonna withhold
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some toys and then you load everything
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into a bin and ship it out and clean the
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room and then bring in the new clean
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toys you know that kind of thing you
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know I mean I do think there’s ways that
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we can do ministry again you’re just
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gonna have to get a hold of the you know
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the guidelines that are out there use
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common sense but I for me I would
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approach this right now I would be
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surveying families I would be asking
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them how do you feel when do you think
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is a good time to reopen the children’s
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ministry and I would ask those kind of
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questions first before anything else
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before trying to create a phase plan I
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would be asking families because what
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good is it for us as church leaders to
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spend hours debating and figuring out
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pros and cons and we could spend hours
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and hours and hours on and then the
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families are like okay great
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we’re not coming back yet see in
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September is in September yeah well an
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hour art I’m lucky to be in a small
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church I love small churches I’ve always
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loved small churches I feel creeped out
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if I don’t know everybody’s business
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when I walk into the church service but
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you know our and that’s that’s making
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that’s the principle of making things as
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local as possible and you know you go
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down from the church level well what’s
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the next the small group level what the
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families you know and a lot of a lot of
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pastors are doing super great work right
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now just being in touch with people
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ministry staff I mean I think everybody
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is trying to do that and if you if you
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have your finger on the pulse of how
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families are actually feeling you’re
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able to make wise decisions smart
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decisions with the best available
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information and you know there’s there’s
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a family I know who’s the mother has
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asthma she’s their people they’re out
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good for them they’re out no judgment no
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no nothing wrong with that and then
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another family I know they have like
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they do some babysitting in-home day
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care so they’re contaminated they don’t
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care you
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they say let’s go let’s go for it we
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need to get out of the house a powerful
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thing and I think a lot of churches
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aren’t saying this even in the VBS
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discussion and and the coming back and
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outside I mean outside everything I’ve
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read and I’m also not a doctor although
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my name is Tony and I’ve got a master’s
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degree didn’t quite get to the doctorate
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but the outside is where those particles
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those virus particles all that mess you
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know all that science stuff tells you
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outside in sunshine with the wind you
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know running past you even with a mask
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you know I think you’re you’re super
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safe to have a smaller group outside
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spaced out with airflow and sunshine I
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it sounds like that’s the best possible
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scenario yeah so you’re doing kids
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ministry if I was at my old church we
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had this beautiful playground that was
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fenced off well-maintained
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hey we would be outside the entire time
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if I had a choice if if we came back
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this summer which I don’t think they
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would but yeah well I think I think
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that’s you know I mean obviously a lot
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of churches are starting to experiment
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more and do more of the drive in church
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our our church that we attend right now
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last weekend did a really cool Mother’s
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Day event the children’s ministry led
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the way and they I mean it was freezing
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cold but they had a band so they’re
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playing music they brought in they had a
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guy it’s a Christian comedian he put on
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a couple different little 20-minute sets
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and they played it across the radio but
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they were given mom’s a free box of
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doughnuts and some coffee from a couple
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local places here in our town and on the
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way out they all got a flower and you
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know as I was talking with the
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children’s pastor this week and we’re
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kind of debriefing and and he said you
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know we see a lot of potential now in
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that idea knowing that we probably
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aren’t going to have our children’s
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ministry up and running again about
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doing like a monthly
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drive-in
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family experience thing yeah what a
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great stage so we’re up high do it in
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multiple you know give give tickets out
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you know how people sign up for a
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session they come in will keep the
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spaces parked you know so that the
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family can have a parking space or two
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to bring their chairs set out they can
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they can see the stage from where they
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are watch the program jump in their
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vehicles and go and then the next group
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comes in and you know so they’re
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starting to explore some of those
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outside events for doing children’s
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ministry continuing what they’re doing
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online leaning on the curriculum that
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provides a good parent app young that
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gives some good information and stories
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for the kids they’re still encouraging
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small group leaders to call their
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children and talk to them and say hi so
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I think there’s a lot of things we’re
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doing right now we just need to keep
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doing we need to keep evaluating keep
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talking to the families and keep
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watching listening to our local
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government as well as our state figuring
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out again that pulse and and look I mean
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we are seeing so many more people
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watching and tuning in and seeking
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government now than ever
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why would you want to shut that down
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just to bring the holy huddle back I
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don’t get it um to me God’s doing
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something here and the church needs to
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say okay god what’s the new thing you
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want because there’s something new I
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really believe it in my heart that
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there’s something new God wants us to
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look at as a body I think the church has
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gotten too focused on the box and not
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the community yeah and and and we’re
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either let’s make our you know let’s
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keep our box the holy huddle or let’s
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make make multi-site by and again I’m
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not slamming them oh I’m not I’m not but
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right now I love how our church has set
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it that we’re one Church in in about a
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thousand multiple locations right you
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know because we’ve got all these home
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churches going on right now hey let it
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ride right now let’s keep let’s keep
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riding this until
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and there’s no rush there’s really no
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rush to bring people back and risk I
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just don’t want any church as being
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ground zero for another outbreak I mean
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yeah and and you see that that choir I
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don’t even remember where they were at
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that choir that had rehearsal and then
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they contact trace them and they were
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all sick and a few handful passed away
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and it’s like man that’s the nightly
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news your choirs you don’t want your
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choir on the nightly news for that and
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so I let me just recap this and then I’m
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gonna jump back over to and show show
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your podcast off but the NA there’s
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about thirty people watching live hey
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thanks you guys for watching live if you
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have a comment type it in and Tom will
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answer it intelligently and then I’ll
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give you a knock-knock joke whatever you
23:02
need to do again this is tom from kids
23:05
ministry collective i’m tony foreign
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ministry two children comm and we’re
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just here to help you today but so
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principals i i’m gonna vote number one
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do no harm right
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that’s principle one do no harm
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principle to make decisions based on
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relationships as locally as you can like
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drill that down and number three you’re
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saying hey let’s not let’s not throw
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away all the great things that are
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happening online digital you know let’s
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let’s keep the good out of this
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catastrophe well again because you’ve
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got people who have who have the people
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you have the stale mindset oh maybe
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attack and now you have me take you to
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your mama well he’s mad because he wants
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to touch the computer screen oh yeah
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Arianna you gotta take him to your mom
24:10
I’m working come on I know these digital
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native and every baby’s like that they
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yeah they manipulates you to hold them
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and then they don’t really want you they
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want your cell phone they want your
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stuff and and so you know I think I
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think it’s one of those things where you
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know again like say you have
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you have to stay at home mindset you
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have the come to church at mindset now
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you have a combination of the stay at
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home go to church mindset there are
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still going to be people that even if
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you open your building are gonna be that
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stay at home come to church mindset and
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so I say hey let’s keep ministering to
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them let’s let’s keep loving them let’s
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keep serving them but I think I think
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that next principle is is talk to the
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people ask don’t assume don’t base it on
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what you think we often as church we
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react and then and and we react and say
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here here’s what you need and and we
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didn’t we instead of reacting I want to
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say let’s respond and let’s ask and then
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let’s serve them and and I really think
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that that’s what parents want is for us
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to say hey what do you need and what are
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you feeling and do you feel like if we
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reopened you know what’s it gonna take
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for you to feel safe and comfortable
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what’s it gonna say what’s it gonna feel
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like what do we need to do so that you
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know safe with your children in our
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community so well hey that’s great Tom
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and I remember we talked like the first
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week this thing was going down and the
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NBA was canceling and we were like
25:47
everybody’s afraid and me and you talked
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and I don’t I don’t want to claim credit
25:52
for it because it was probably you said
25:54
it but then I repeated that every day
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after that you know ministry means
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service I mean if you look back at the
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word word ministry means service so
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ministry to children ministering to
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families we’re serving those families
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you know your church’s ministry is all
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about helping right so you know if
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you’re helping them helping them know
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God helping them love one another
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helping them you know come to Christ
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follow the Bible all the stuff we’re
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helping that’s what we do so I think
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that’s a powerful work let me we get in
26:24
some questions here on Facebook so I’m
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gonna do the screen share again and hop
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back over see if I can figure this out
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all right can you see this Tom yeah I
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can all right so we’re now on the screen
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share and I’ll start and I don’t know
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why Facebook is obsessed that I need
26:41
have donation buttons because I don’t do
26:43
that but
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anyway they everything I see is that so
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we have a friend from Nam BIA and
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currently in a small church what do you
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think is the digital readiness of small
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church versus big Church hmm well I mean
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again I guess it just depends on on your
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church and on your community where
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you’re serving how how would the people
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there relate to digital versus in person
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and and as far as I mean I think for
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smaller churches you take advantage of
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what you have don’t worry about what you
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don’t have focus on what what God’s put
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in your hands and and you don’t have to
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be fancy you don’t have to do a big in
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fact honestly I’ve seen some of the
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biggest churches now going with the
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simplest I mean well all right I’m gonna
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play an example from from American TV
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last night was the finale of Survivor
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I’m a survivor fan okay that reality TV
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show normally on the grand finale when
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they’re giving away the big prize
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they’ve got this big stage set they’ve
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got a huge crowd and you know and
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there’s there’s a lot of money in that
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production last night it was the host
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Jeff Probst sitting in his garage some
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set designers built him literally out of
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two by fours and paper I don’t know it
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didn’t look like it was very fancy but
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built a set for him and sent him the
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direction step-by-step how to put
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together gave him all the props the fake
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rocks and bushes and lights sent me
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camera and he literally set it all up
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himself in his garage and they produced
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the grand finale from there so I would
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say to a small church you don’t need a\

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big production you need a camera or a
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computer and Internet and you talk to
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the camera and you you play to that and
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you allow people to be blessed with with
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that and in it’s just fine I don’t think
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you have to be fancy to two men
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stirred of people and get the gospel out
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and that’s the thing as the gospel is
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going out across the airwaves and across
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the internet like we’ve never seen
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before
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right um we’ve got pastors who who are
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used to preaching to ten people who are
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now reaching hundreds or thousands and
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they’re televangelists and they didn’t
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even dream about being they don’t have
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to wear a fancy suit they can just sit
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there in a t-shirt with their Bible and
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and I’ve seen some big names pastors on
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in their living rooms sitting there just
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teaching God’s Word from it so I hope
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that totally answers the question
29:33
exactly what they were looking for but I
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hope so
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no that’s great and let me let me hop
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back over to my screen share and figure
29:38
this out and I appreciate you guys this
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is actually the first time I’ve ever
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gone live on ministry to children I mean
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we’ve done it with Tom I’ve done it with
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other websites but this is the first
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time we’re trying to hear so you guys
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are brave and you’re doing great and
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actually sherry asked that she says is
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this recorded no it’s not it’s not
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pre-recorded we are recording it and
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it’ll be available later and that’s why
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the babies just come up here and the
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daughter goes outside and and all this
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stuff it’s real life we’re not in a
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studio that’s where there’s no studios
30:14
left I’m seeing my comments but I can’t
30:17
find him it says there’s eight comments
30:20
and I’m only seeing four Tom am i unable
30:24
to do facebook all right let’s see here
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let’s see I got one sandy said yes let’s
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embrace what we have what we’ve been
30:34
able to ship to Mellon one Church 2,000
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homes thanks for saying what I’m seeing
30:38

yeah yeah I saw those comments a
30:41
minute ago now they’re going I don’t
30:42
know what I did wrong yeah that’s your
30:45
quote Tom that’s a great quote one
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church and a thousand homes I mean then
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you know everybody’s obsessed about the
30:55
early church and how they did things and
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there’s pros and cons of that but really
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house church is legit that’s the way
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churches were yeah maybe three or four
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hundred years for sure and that’s the
31:08
way churches are in countries that
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you know it’s not cool or publicly
31:13
acceptable or even legal to be a public
31:16
Church so yeah I think how church is
31:19
great I think this is this should be
31:22
opening our eyes to what’s up let me hop
31:25
over so apple podcast kids ministry
31:28
collective so you just search that on
31:30
your Apple podcast or any platform any

31:33
platform okay show up in a variety of
31:35
platforms yeah I have it on I have it on
31:38
my Google podcast somehow but I don’t
31:40
know how I found it in the first place
31:42
but yeah so this is the one you were
31:45
talking about earlier yeah that’s that’s
31:47
the newest one and and as you can see in
31:50
the show notes there there’s a my link
31:53
for my blog and Ron Brooks my co-host on
31:56
that episode both Ron has a great blog
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that has a ton of information on it and
32:03
and he does a better job he’s a man I’ve
32:09
known I’ve known Ron for years on the
32:11
internet only but I’ve never never been
32:13
able to find him at a conference I don’t
32:15
know why look on the blog then you’ll
32:17
you’ll see the blog page yeah so here’s
32:20
runs here’s Ron and then here’s Tom and
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definitely if you guys are struggling
32:27
with this before you open your building
32:30
that’s the that’s what everybody’s
32:32
thinking about this week and it’s more
32:35
than just hand sanitizer and face masks
32:38
you know you got to decide if you’re
32:39
gonna sing you got to decide if you’re
32:41
gonna rope off pews I have a friend
32:44
who’s a Southern Baptist pastor and his
32:46
church opened Sunday and they’re in a
32:49
very very rural area and they’ve had
32:51
like two cases in the whole county and
32:54
the health the the county health
32:57
director is in his praise band so I mean
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he’s got the inside track and they you
33:02
know they had church and 400-seat
33:05
congregation and they had like 40 people
33:08
and he said you know what nobody was in
33:11
danger but I’m not sure if it was worth
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it kind of thing right right well
33:15
unfortunately and I hope this doesn’t
33:18
come across the wrong way but I see that
33:20
there are I fear that sometimes it
33:24
because people have you know pastors
33:27
have have felt the financial crunch
33:29
offerings are down and they’re you know
33:32
and if they haven’t gotten the e give
33:34
set up and that kind of thing they’re
33:38
not able to take offerings and
33:39
unfortunately that is motivating some
33:41
I’m not saying all but I know that’s a
33:43
pressure and I understand that and I
33:49
know a lot of families have lost jobs
33:51
and don’t have income coming in I’m one
33:55
of those that ever worked for my wife
33:57
right now I know not sure what we’d be
33:59
doing and you know it’s gotten tough
34:02
sometimes for all of us and so my giving
34:04
is even back down just a little bit
34:06
because I’m not bringing home as much
34:08
but so I know there’s some pressures for
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famine for churches that way but I do
34:14
like I said I think we don’t want to
34:16
rush patients it’s a virtue right yeah
34:19
and and I don’t think that God’s gonna
34:22
be angry with us if we said hey you know
34:24
what we’re just gonna be the church in
34:28
our neighborhoods for a little while
34:29
longer
34:30
and and I’ve often said you know I mean
34:33
you look at acts 1:8 and the church was
34:36
all gathered together in Jerusalem and
34:38
they were all tighten and knit and and
34:40
but that wasn’t what Jesus had told them
34:42
to do right he said it when he left
34:44
go get out I want he I really for I
34:48
almost wished the the original really
34:50
had come out and said get out of
34:52
Jerusalem you know but but they set
34:55
there and congregated for a long time
34:56
after he left and what happened well
34:59
yeah the the church was growing in
35:02
Jerusalem but it wasn’t growing anywhere
35:03
else there the disciples were all
35:05
congregated there and it took a
35:06
persecution acts 8:1 for them to blow
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out and get outside the walls of
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Jerusalem
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well I often thought that that’s what it
35:14
was gonna take from the American church
35:15
to really see a nut the next revival it
35:19
was going to take a major persecution
35:21
and at times I’m thinking you know what
35:23
I think God is allowing this to sweep
35:27
through to say hey Church wake up I told
35:30
you not to get congregated in the
35:32
building all the time don’t don’t make
35:34
it a holy huddle place but get out there
35:37
and I think we have a
35:38
golden opportunity I was telling my
35:41
pastor I said I think this is a this is
35:43
fantastic
35:44
I don’t think this is a bad thing I mean
35:46
yes I miss being around people yes I
35:49
would miss it if I was a kids pastor in
35:51
a kids ministry again I love being with
35:53
my kids I loved yeah but I’m also having
35:59
the opportunity that I could invite a
36:00
neighbor over to watch the service with
36:02
me now and and they’re not threatened by
36:04
it because yeah you know of anything and
36:06
they’re coming to my house and they’re
36:08
hanging out with me and I just think
36:11
like I said don’t miss this opportunity
36:13
and don’t miss the opportunity to think
36:15
about what could be new in our
36:17
children’s ministries as we come back
36:18
together what you know we have parents
36:21
disciple in their kids how do we help
36:23
equip them more what do we resource them
36:25
more to do we have an opportunity to
36:28
recruit more because now we have all
36:30
these parents who have done children’s
36:31
ministry for the last couple months yeah
36:36
you guys you guys are on the hook yeah
36:40
well let me play off that just a second
36:42
because you talking about inviting
36:43
neighbors and I’ve got a few more
36:46
comments and Tom are you good on time I
36:47
promise you 15 minutes but you know I’m
36:51
a liar I’ve always been a liar no
36:55
especially with time so you said you’re
37:00
inviting neighbors and we talked I I
37:02
just watched your your kids ministry
37:05
collective did a interview about a new
37:06
VBS that’s out there and I’m not gonna
37:08
plug that here but it’s like backyard
37:11
Bible school inviting the neighbor kids
37:14
I mean our little girl wants to play
37:16
with the neighbors so bad but we’ve been
37:18
just telling your no wait to the virus
37:20
wait to the virus and then online
37:22
I’ve watched I’ve watched some other

37:24
churches to be honest I’m a church
37:27
hopper online now because this this
37:29
really cool local church has a Saturday
37:31
night service that I’m just like bored
37:33
I’m like hey I’m gonna watch this it’s a
37:34
great thing to to experience their
37:37
worship with them and then I’ve had
37:39
friends who have invited to church many
37:42
times even a family member who have
37:44
invited in church and now they’re gonna
37:46
come there they’re doing online with me
37:49
so I’m gonna I’m it’s on Facebook I send
37:51
in the end
37:52
and they’re there and I’m like what you
37:55
know I’ve won I wanted let’s say my mom
37:57
for an example I’ve wanted my mom to
37:59
visit the church for quite a while and
38:01
she kind of goes she has her own church
38:03
but she never goes so it’s kind of like
38:05
mom just come somewhere you know come
38:07
somewhere where they’re gonna know your
38:08
name which is what kind of our our niche
38:10
for our church and so we’re able to do
38:14
that know but back to the persecution
38:17
and I don’t want to call this a
38:18
persecution I don’t I know there’s some
38:20
people like far on the right saying you
38:22
know you’re close to our churches this
38:24
is you know ya know this is Roman Empire
38:26
stuff I know I don’t believe that I
38:27
believe I believe I’m gonna give the
38:32
public officials the benefit of the
38:33
doubt that they’re just trying to do
38:34
what’s best and but at the same time
38:37
this is a hardship a disaster and
38:42
impediments it’s a bad thing happening
38:46
and I think you see that all through
38:49
Scripture all through church history
38:50
whenever bad things happen God’s people
38:54
wake up you know we just like wake up
38:57
seek the Lord and see that every bad
39:01
thing that’s happening god has a secret
39:04
purpose in that if we’re just faithful
39:07
and get back to the basics you know get
39:08
back to loving our neighbor the great
39:11
Commandments love the Lord your God with
39:12
all your heart soul mind strength okay
39:14
yeah that’s easy to do right no it’s
39:15
impossible but and then love your
39:17
neighbor as yourself
39:18
friends I am gonna confess will have
39:22
confession time in a minute Tom but I’m
39:23
gonna confess right now out of all my
39:26
neighbors I probably know half of their
39:30
names and we live in an apartment
39:32
building so I know half of their names
39:34
and then in terms of eating with them
39:37
I have only like ate a meal with them
39:40
when they cook out right and I say hey
39:43
this barbeque I’m coming you know so
39:46
that’s that’s that’s honesty here that
39:49
all Christians need you know cook out
39:53
you know I’ve got I’ve got a huge I’ve
39:55
got a hundred Sam’s hot dogs because I
39:56
panic bought them and they were on sale
39:58
or whatever I don’t know why but they’re
39:59
in the freezer that’s where they all
40:01
went
40:01
I’ve gotta know and my family hates them
40:04
I’m the only one to eat them
40:05
I’m kind of thinking about giving up me
40:07
so there you go we need to have a
40:09
cookout all right let me jump back to
40:10
the screen share Tom and we’re gonna we
40:13
got a couple more comments coming in and
40:14
and I appreciate you guys who are
40:16
hanging in there with us I hope we’re
40:18
not rambling too much I we’re up to 35
40:20
World Records hmm all right so Natalie
40:24
says your resources have been very
40:25
helpful gospel centered messages that
40:28
are not watered-down even at the
40:30
preschool hey and that’s that’s a great
40:32
praise and it’s not it’s not my
40:34
editorial skills it’s just God has given
40:36
us the right people on our website to do
40:39
that because teaching the gospel not
40:43
water down to preschoolers is hard for
40:46
some people but these these are great
40:47
moms and Sunday school teachers who have
40:49
done this so Thank You Natalie
40:51
appreciate that ever from Kenya they do
40:56
a Bible Club for kids and they’re using
40:58
our stuff for under reach children thank
41:00
you for sharing that and they’re doing
41:04
recording for younger kids and zoom
41:07
calls for older kids so far so good
41:09
engagement is very different I know my
41:12
daughter does some online stuff at our
41:14
church too it’s hard you know and the
41:16
kids are coming over but I love what you
41:19
said here the Lord is still on his
41:21
throne and if we don’t learn anything
41:24
else from this experience you know we’re
41:28
all learning to wash our hands and stuff
41:29
like that and not touch dirty stuff you
41:32
know but if we don’t learn that the Lord
41:34
is stillness throne even when our
41:36
society completely disintegrates falls
41:40
apart you know this is not this is not
41:42
World War two level suffering you know
41:45
like the that they had in so many places
41:47
this is this is American sitting home
41:50
getting fat watching Netflix you know
41:51
this is our hardship is nowhere compared
41:54
to what real hardship does but I
41:57
appreciate this from Kenya that you know
42:01
that that everywhere in the world this
42:03
is not a u.s. problem and I think that’s
42:06
when I get sick you know Tom you’re on
42:08
Apple news probably too and I watch
42:09
Apple news and for some reason Apple
42:11
news tell it pretends like America is
42:14
all that exists and I have to like dig
42:15
through the internet to find global news
42:17
now but
42:19
you know there’s no there’s no there’s
42:22
no borders on the kingdom of God and so
42:25
I appreciate I appreciate that word from
42:28
Kenya
42:29
one more here Robin using zoom Sunday
42:32
school working well but the kids want to
42:34
come to church and and maybe we can riff
42:36
on that for a minute because I have
42:38
noticed that children have social needs
42:42
that are not satisfied by eLearning and
42:46
by dad yelling at them to do their math
42:49
and I think that’s true with church too
42:53
and for me this has been you know I’m
42:58
I’m kind of focused on curriculum design
43:00
I’m focused on you know you know gospel
43:02
centered all these all these cool things
43:04
that I’m hearing feedback I really love
43:05
to hear that because that’s what I’m I’m
43:08
focused on that’s what my brains working
43:10
on that’s what my background you know
43:12
education blah blah blah but the reality
43:14
is kids need community yeah you know if
43:18
you go back to that fellowship stuff you
43:21
know the church is fellowship not just
43:23
for grown-ups but for kids how do you
43:25
think kids are dealing with that Tom
43:26
well um man that’s that’s a great thing
43:29
because a great question because I in a
43:32
point of discussion because one of the
43:35
things that I’m concerned about is is
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the the mental and emotional well-being
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of kids because of the lack of physical
43:44
contact of just it’s there’s a ministry
43:54
that I follow closely called key
43:56
ministry yeah they do a lot of stuff
43:59
with special need as well as mental
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health and anxiety and I get a podcast
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with some ladies from their team and
44:05
phenomenal wisdom and I know they’re
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concerned because they see that you know
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there are a lot of kids that are
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suffering more anxiety and different
44:15
things because they’re not around their
44:17
friends anymore
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and yeah just seeing their friend on a
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computer screen isn’t the same as being
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there to hang out and to be close and to
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give them a hug and so I do think
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there’s a lot of kids that are
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struggling
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not just from zoom
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but just from the fatigue of not being
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around their peers and not engaging and
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we are built for community there’s no
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doubt about it and that’s why it’s so
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hard for me to say be patient and wait
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and go slow because I understand I am a
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people person
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i I thrive
44:53
being around others and and what’s funny
44:57
is is actually I’m not somedays yes I do
44:59
get a little fatigued being online so
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much but there’s other times where at
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least I get to see you and at least I’m
45:05
hearing your voice not you and I seen
45:07
you react and that’s better than a phone
45:09
call and it’s better than not seeing you
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but I miss I miss being able to go in
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the coffee shop and so yesterday a buddy
45:18
of mine I I said hey dude let’s let’s
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hit this coffee shop that we both love
45:23
and let’s park our trucks side-by-side
45:26
so we can talk to each other but and
45:29
then and then at the end I for the humor
45:32
sake of it I grabbed my hand sanitizer
45:33
and I covered my hand and then we fist
45:36
bumped each other yeah let me let me let
45:43
me pick up on that Tom because the last
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time I saw you was at children’s pastors
45:48
conference in January like just a few
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weeks before this thing went crazy and
45:54
me and you and we love children’s
45:57
pastors conference if you guys go to a
45:59
conference that’s the one that’s the one
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to go to if you can go to all of them go
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to all of them but if you can go to one
46:05
that’s the one it’s awesome and
46:07
children’s pastors conference me and you
46:09
and and Carl Bastian kid ology best
46:14
website and children’s ministry I love
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my website but his website is better and
46:18
we were out there and I I came through I
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was gonna go see here this speaker I’d
46:24
been I’ve been dying to hear the speaker
46:26
and you guys are out there talking and
46:27
we just sit down and start talking about
46:28
life talking about Disneyworld star wars
46:31
a little bit of politics even but that
46:35
that you know ninety minute conversation
46:38
was encouraging to me as much as you
46:42
know I did listen to listen to the
46:43
online later but that was that was a
46:45
powerful
46:46
and I think when you say humans you know
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the way God designed us is for
46:51
relationship we need we need one another
46:53
that’s that’s what makes the church
46:55
powerful and I think that’s same for
46:57
kids too and Robin just now in the
46:59
comments a few minutes ago she said you
47:01
know kids can’t play games and do
47:03
puzzles as a group online yeah and there
47:06
are some good zoom games I found a few I
47:08
posted them a few weeks ago it was a
47:10
it’s a great YouTube channel she mostly
47:12
does birthday games Shawna how but I
47:15
posted on the blog some twenty zoom
47:18
games that kids can do and it was it was
47:20
amazing and kids need relationship games
47:27
for whatever reason in children’s
47:29
ministry I believe games are the way you
47:32
make relationships happen it’s how you
47:35
introduce your lesson if you I love the
47:39
last few years we’ve had a lady writing
47:41
lesson plans for us on the website and
47:42
she tries to include games it’s like
47:44
lesson introduction slash games and it’s
47:48
like always so fun and it gets into it
47:51
kind of gets the ideas out there but
47:54
then the kids build relationships with
47:56
which we know matters all the studies
47:58
say you know your friends and children’s
48:00
church if you keep those friends in
48:01
youth group and you know that’s that’s
48:03
gonna boost your faith journey having
48:06
those relationships
48:07
yeah I’ll share that link here in a
48:10
minute if I don’t break my if I don’t
48:12
break my your popcorns going okay buddy
48:16
I move on popcorns gone anyway so I
48:20
think oh no no you just dumped all the
48:26
popcorn seeds in the side without the
48:28
garbage just oh of course
48:31
okay so there’s real life for you zoom
48:36
games zoom games for kids you’ll find a
48:39
bunch of great stuff on there and
48:40
they’re they’re just just fun little
48:43
stuff zoom games for kids you can google
48:45
that you might find us on there but
48:47
whatnot hey sherry just she just
48:50
commented I love both websites kid ology
48:53
and Ministry of children Thank You
48:55
sherry kid ology is I don’t want to call
48:57
him the grandfather because he’s not
48:58
that much older than me but
49:00
I’ll tell you I started in children’s
49:02
ministry 2005 we got out of Bible
49:05
College got a little Church I was the I
49:08
was full-time but I got like you know
49:09
half the pay that you’re supposed to get
49:11
when you’re full-time and that was my
49:13
lifeline children’s ministry magazine
49:15
and kadala g.com org I forget what they
49:20
are now it just comes up but those were
49:22
my things and so shout-out to kid ology
49:26
children’s ministry comm all these great
49:28
websites okay you want to do confessions
49:32
city buddies still watching
49:34
let’s see if people are still watching
49:36
cuz you know that’s oh we’re dwindling
49:38
we’ve peaked so we’re gonna stop soon I
49:41
promised you 15 minutes cuz I said Thom
49:44
15 minutes is all you need on on a
49:46
webinar or a conversation but then this
49:51
stuff happens and then before we know
49:52
what we’re gonna miss the next session
49:54
of the conference in the next session
49:55
and then they they closed the restaurant
49:58
we didn’t even get dinner it’s just here
49:59
alright so the worst thing I’ve done
50:02
this is this is the question look this
50:04
is the game we should have done this
50:05
first the worst thing I did have the
50:09
illegal play date with my little girl on
50:12
my end and her cousin out in the I did
50:15
go to an illegal wedding an illegal
50:19
wedding a house wedding it was in the
50:21
state of Kentucky which was there they
50:23
they’re pretty pretty far walking down
50:25
in Kentucky and there was no masks and
50:28
we were there for like five hours but
50:30
there was eight of us and we were all
50:31
immediate family who lived in different
50:33
houses so it was kind of it was okay
50:37
those are the two worst things I think
50:39
I’ve done so far what do you got
50:42
I’m so boring man I hope you’re not a
50:46
troublemaker
50:47
hi well yeah I know I mean my wife works
50:51
in the hospital and so I I was I was
50:54
under direct orders to never leave the
50:57
house right so I my life consisted of
51:00
getting up dry I would drive to Dunkin
51:03
Donuts to get my coffee if I didn’t want
51:05
to make it myself that morning I guess
51:08
that’s the worst thing is that I can
51:10
pull up to the drive-through now and say
51:12
good morning and the guy there that were
51:14
the drive-through window I actually
51:16
think he might be the he might could be
51:18
one of the owners I don’t know for sure
51:20
but he’ll say hey Tom come on up I got
51:22
your order because I would oh I always
51:24
mobile order so he knows my voice what
51:31
my life consists of going to Dunkin and
51:34
coming home and then working online
51:36
working on the KMC doing podcasts I do
51:40
ministry coaching and and well that’s
51:42
not there’s not a lot I’m also a travel
51:44
agent again what a good bit that’s why
51:48
what I made the Colorado having a lot of
51:49
income coming in because yeah it both
51:52
businesses are kind of in the desert
51:56
right now but so yeah so my life has
52:01
been very boring I just kind of stay
52:03
around but you know it gives like I said
52:05
it does give me opportunity to to get to
52:07
know my neighbors and to work out you
52:09
know I by doing stuff with them and
52:11
helping them because they’re both older
52:13
and we’ve done a lot of errand running
52:14
for them I think I think the only wild
52:17
side I had was one moment is because I
52:19
did go to Walmart without my mask yeah I
52:23
know took my life into my hands I’m like
52:25
yeah then I walked through the valley of
52:26
the shadow of ricin mungus and and viral
52:31
whatever I’m like I’m going in um
52:35
all because I wanted my trail mix and my
52:37
Mountain Dew oh man that’s a confession
52:41
there I mean I I was doing I was
52:43
breaking the law for good reasons you’re
52:45
just breaking it for gluttony I mean I
52:51
needed my trail mix and I needed my
52:52
Mountain Dew I’m with you no well I did
52:55
pick up a couple other things from my
52:57
wife you know necessities
52:59
well hey Tom let me wrap this up it says
53:03
we’ve been going about 51 minutes so
53:05
that’s a little longer than 15 but hey I
53:08
appreciate you you guys if you don’t
53:10
know Tom check out the kids ministry
53:11
collective check out his podcast Tom
53:14
bump calm like I’m doing boom yeah and
53:19
and of course I’m Tony for ministry
53:21
children in it and I appreciate you guys
53:23
for making this first live first
53:26
Facebook live we’ve ever done that’s how
53:28
backward I am technologically but I
53:30
appreciate you guys and let me know if
53:33
you enjoy it maybe we’ll do some more
53:35
I’ve got I’ve got lots of friends in
53:36
ministry who I I could call and harass
53:39
I’ll say no I’ll come back on four in
53:42
ten Tom’s Tom’s a travel agent so he’s
53:44
doing nothing I should tell you
53:49
I just had my I Drive a school bus right
53:54
so I drive a school bus I’m a church
53:56
administrator and I do websites and I
53:59
actually do consulting for another for a
54:01
curriculum company and so I’m like I’ve
54:04
got four jobs but I’ve I feel like I’ve
54:06
done nothing you know from what four
54:08
months although I know I’m doing stuff
54:10
it just it doesn’t feel like it because
54:12
I haven’t drove the school bus that’s
54:15
that’s my book end of the day get up
54:17
drive the school bus work during the day
54:19
at the church drive the school bus come
54:21
home work at night on the computer it’s
54:22
it just makes sense but now it’s just
54:24
every day a Saturday and there’s never a
54:27
Sunday but searches are coming back
54:30
twenty percent are open this week and I
54:32
expect that to come ramp up very rapidly
54:34
so hey Tom thanks again Lord bless you
54:37
Lori King make his face shine upon you
54:40
amen I don’t know how to stop it I’m
54:48
stalling with with benedictions alright
54:51
see you guys

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